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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree completely. And I think your example shows exactly what I was trying to get across.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you were trying to get across, anneke, is exactly what made me think of myself as an example. It's a very astute observation on your part.

I think too many of my fellow Americans are stuck on ridiculous and unnecessary labels--labels that serve more to divide and alienate than to identify. "I am African-American." "I am Latino-American." "I am Asian-American." "I am Irish-American." As far as I'm concerned the only people of North America who can sensibly employ such a label are the Native Americans. In their case it makes sense, and it is their right. The rest of us in the United States are AMERICANS, and that's enough.

And I think we of modern times are too quick to apply the same sort of logic to ancient peoples. Certainly the Ptolemies knew well of their Macedonian-Greek lineage and were prouod of it--as well they should be--but somehow I just don't see Cleopatra VII saying anything akin to, "I am Macedonian-Egyptian." Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's an interesting topic you touched upon-there is a difference between the ethnicity and the nationality but where does one stop and the other begin? Hmmm...

I am another example. I consider myself to be British, because I was born in London, speak English-but my mother is French, and I still have to have a French identity. So officially I should be French-British...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my case I still have the Dutch nationality, but I have now lived in the US for almost 19 years.
I get back to Holland somewhat regularly, but I can feel the connection to the "old country" slipping away to some degree. Not living there anymore, I don't know as much about the issues that play a large role. I read some Dutch papers online, but that's not the same as living there and experiencing the culture as it develops through the years.
I'm technically not Dutch-American, but maybe Americanized-Dutch?? Laughing

I wonder how the later ptolemies perceived themselves? We may never know of course. When I have more time I'll read through the site by C Bennett again. He has the complete geneology up, and has quite a bit of info on many of the people in that family. Maybe there are some clues there.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good post, kmt_sesh. I agree completely. Indeed, Cleopatra could have been considered to be the ultimate Egyptian. As I said in my post, she worked relentlessly to improve conditions in Egypt, to restore Egypt to its former power.
The point I was trying to make is the same that you have stated. She was, by blood, Greek. But she was also, most definately, Egyptian.
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