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Paatenemheb, Horemheb and the succession

 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:59 pm    Post subject: Paatenemheb, Horemheb and the succession Reply with quote

I got interested in Paatenemheb and looked around for information.
And of course there seem to be several individuals of that name who are attested during this general period Rolling Eyes

1. Paatenemheb. General of the Lord of the Two Lands, King's Scribe, and Steward of the Lord of the Two Lands. (from Murnane's book)

2. PaƤtenemheb was royal butler during the reign of Tutankhamun or his successors. The central chapel of his tomb in Saqqara was sold (?) in 1828. The tomb is now lost however. (from the website of Leiden University)

3. Paatenemheb, son of the Guardian of the treasury Ptahmay and his wife Takhert. The stela of Ptahmay shows Paatenemheb and his sister Meryt before his parents. On a lower register are a man Huy and his wife Wabt with their son Hat and daughter Wadjyt. Two further adults are referred to as "his son" Ramessu and "his daughter" Iwy. Not entirely clear whose son and daughter Ramessu and Iwy are. Ramessu and Iwy are shown seated together as husband and wife. This stela most likely dates to year 9 or after of Akhenaten. It may have come from Memphis. (from book: Pharaohs of the Sun)

If Paatenemheb was the same person as Horemheb, then #1 should be our general and future pharaoh.

I do find it peculiar that the Butler of Tutankhamen kept his Aten name. Unless he died not too far into Tut's reign???

The stela is rather intriguing. Connecting a man named Ramessu to a man named Paatenemheb. I think the question has been asked before if Horemheb and Ramses I were related. This stela I mentioned may be referring to other people, but there are some other interesting facts there. This Ramessu may be married to a lady called Iwy. In the 400 year stela the wife of Ramses I is named as Tiy. And I think the spelling of Tiy is difficult to read. Iwy's name is read [feather-bird-2 feathers]. It's not too strong a link, but maybe close enough to make one wonder if this Ramessu could be Ramses I?

Paatenemheb (3) is related to a high official of the treasury. Maya would become the next important treasurer. Could he also be related then? They must have at least known each other?

Then again it may all be a big red herring Laughing

I have always wondered why Horemheb picked Ramses as his successor. I know the argument goes that Ramses had a healthy son and grand-son. Somehow I would find some level of nepotism easier to believe. Call me a cynic, but there had to be a better reason than "healthy stock" for Horemheb to put Ramses forward.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just found some more information about the butler Paatenemheb. His tomb must be in Saqqara, and some inscriptions are in the Museum in Leiden.
I was looking through an old catalog I have from that museum.

Paatenemheb is depicted with his wife Tipuy and his mother Meritptah.
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy What an intriguing stele, I could'nt help but think of the 400yr stela too, even though the wives names don't match.

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The stela of Ptahmay shows Paatenemheb and his sister Meryt before his parents.

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Paatenemheb (3) is related to a high official of the treasury. Maya would become the next important treasurer. Could he also be related then? They must have at least known each other?


Speaking of Maya, his wife was Meryt - his half sister as well but her parents were Henutiunu (Songstress of Amun) and Yuy (Magistrate and father of Maya). Its a shame but the little amount of info I have on his family does'nt match any names on the stela. Still could be extended family though.

There is another dynasty of treasurer men, we've talked about them some time ago. The family of Nebsen and Nebetta (Amenhotep II - Thutmose IV) goes right through 5 generations of Treasury connected men, until Panehesy at Amarna.
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