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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The museum seems fairly sure in their identification as an Amarna Princess. Maybe they know more, and the place of discovery gives more information???

I would indeed find it a little arrogant to disagree with people who obviously know more than I do, but I've always liked reasonable doubt. Smile


Very Happy That wasn't meant as criticism. They really give no reason for their identification. But the prize they payed sounded pretty steep to me. (more than 400,000 pounds?). I don't think they would fork that over for something of dubious background.
Hope I'm not being optimistic here. Cool

There are pices of the boundary stela missing. Wonder if it could be from one of those? Although those are from a much earlier time and wouldn't depict a more mature Princess I think.

It just makes me very curious where that statue stood originally, and what it was depicted doing.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dancing.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, seriously, she doesn't show a familiar pose to me.
I was wondering the same.
Maybe an 'esthetic statue'?
Would be weird though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dancing.


Very Happy That's what I had been thinking.
I don't remember ever seeing scenes of Nefertiti or other women dancing in the Aten temple. Dancing does seem to have been part of the Egyptian rituals though. Wonder how much of it went on after the 'reformation'.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this statue under the Pharaohs of the sun page:


This one really shows the "hair over one shoulder" look. This one really looks like a princess.

This one really does not have the "twisting" motion the other one does.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My darling Boston collection book says two very interesting things about this one. It is different from comparable statues of daughters to Akhenaten (leaving any discussion in the middle) because it wasn't standing on its own. U see the left hand to be raised, presumed to be in the worshiping-protecting stance, like u can see on the statuette Isi mentioned in another thread. (pic) This indicates it to be part of a group sculpture. Another thing is that judging by the softened looks, this statue could be dated to the late Amarna age again, even a time when Akh had already deceased. It comes "probably" from Amarna, but seeing the Court resided there still some years after Akh's death, this could well be our dear Ankhes or Meritaton.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The slab in the back looks pretty smooth on the right side.
Do you think it was cut up in fairly recent times?
(Just doesn't look like someone smashed it and broke it into pieces that way.)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The slab in the back looks pretty smooth on the right side.
Do you think it was cut up in fairly recent times?
(Just doesn't look like someone smashed it and broke it into pieces that way.)

That makes sense...
Could've been it was broken in pieces to seperately be sold.
Not an uncommon practice for 'antique dealers'.
Makes u wonder what happened to the rest.
And whether it was a dual or a triple statue.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to move off the subject for a minute, but I just found this article. Quite interesting.

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Paleoentomologist Eva Panagiotakopulu found plague in fossilized flea remains in ancient ruins in Amarna, Egypt. She now believes the plague may have begun in Egypt rather than Central Asia.


http://www.geotimes.org/may04/NN_plague.html
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool. Smile

Didn't know the plague was said to be Central Asian though. From what I heard, when the Hittites were struck with the plague, they referred to an Egyptian precedent (very probably during the Amarna-age) and actually turned for help to the Egyptian priests and doctors.

But on the other hand...
It has been suggested the plague originally came from Mittani.
I doubt we have real sources of that one though.
What a bug can tell you...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the article they write

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The Workmen’s Village was the section near the ancient capital reserved for the artisans who toiled on the nearby stone tombs for the pharaohs Akhenaten and Tutankhamun.


At first my response was: Oh, get your facts straight! *grmbl grmbl*

Then, I wondered: Tutankhamen lived at Amarna (even as King). Did they ever start a tomb for him there, or would the powers that be always have planned a move back to the old capital?
I have never heard of any structure that may have been started for him there.
Did he have anything built there for himself? Temple? Stelae?

[Sorry to move the topic yet again Cool ]
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I doubt it. The actual move to Memphis occured not before the third year of his reign, but the court surrounding Tut surely made preparations early on to move out from Achet-Aten. I always found that to be very interesting, since the break with Atenism and Akhenaten is mostly described as a 'clean break', sudden and relentless. Not quite following the facts, I guess. Shifting subject again: would Smench have gone to any troubles already building down the Atenist movement? Never heard something like that and never seen "proof" or something, but therefor it isn't impossible?
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Smenkhare only ruled for some three years, and at least 2 of those with Akhenaten. If he was turning back, than he would have had to do it in secret during the co-regency, wouldn't he?

It sounds to me as though he never really had much of a chance to form his own policies. One of those "what if?s" of history I guess Wink

It may be that the upper eschelons of society had already gotten tired of the new religion.
I agree with you that the people around Tut didn't wake up one day in his second year, and thought to themselves: "You know what, I think moving to a new town would be fun!"
That takes planning.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then there's the point that after Akhenaten's death, I'd think the temples of the other Gods would be fairly pestering about a return to the old ways. And when you think about Tut, a young man proabably not all too interested in his Fathers big dream, would likely get pressure from all his "Advisors" and suchlike to o back to the old ways and save the hassle that trying to stand up to the combined pressure of all the other temples. Ok, so they were closed down but stands to reason that the high priests and suchlike would be quite eager to get back to power, doesn't it?

Eck, sorry about the lack of paragraphing. Remind me to work on that,

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