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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:41 pm    Post subject: Cleopatra's Dream Reply with quote

Did Cleopatra want to have a world ruel jointly by Egypt and Rome?Cause in many sites it said she wanted to ruel the world with Rome at its side.

She wanted

Asia Minor
Judia
Jordan
Armenia
Libya
Cyprus
Crete
Parthia
Greece
and if possible to take control if India

She wanted also to expand and recreate the Egyptian Empire.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if cleopatra actually wanted to rule side by side with rome, i think she knew that the best chance of expanding the egyptian empire and strenghtening it she would need to either be joined with rome or at least on good terms with them. Also, being lovers with ceasar and mark anthony and having children with them would have re-enforced her power aswell as producing an heir to the egyptian and roman empire.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clreopatra wanted to rule egypt.Ahe did not want to rule the world, I'm cure she wouldn't have minded it, but she wasn't trying to. She was trying to make it so that her family could rein in egypt long after she was dead. Octavian made most of that up after she was dead.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the very least Cleopatra wanted control of as much of the Near East as possible, such as in the "glory days" of her Ptolemaic predecessors and even farther back in time. Cleopatra was surely a shrewd and intelligent ruler who has been over-glamorized by the modern media and Hollywood. She was as much a king as any of the men who preceded her, and as king she wanted a stable and prosperous Egypt--that meant control and possession of the foreign lands that could offer materials and resources Egypt did not natively possess.

Cleopatra's intrigues and dalliances with Julius Caeser and Marc Antony were surely not just for the sake of romance. These powerful men were more to the point politically expedient. Rome was the rising power, and through strong connections with Rome Cleopatra could gain control of foreign provinces. That was probably what finally pushed Octavian over the edge.

Marc Antony divided certain parts of the eastern Roman Empire between Cleopatra and her children. To the Roman Senate he explained away this action by stating that he was installing client rulers. However, this did not sit well with Octavian, who was Marc Antony's brother-in-law by his Roman wife. Octavian unleashed a smear campaign against Marc Antony and Cleopatra and soon, of course, over-ran Egypt militarily. Antony's and Cleopatra's schemes backfired horribly, however well intentioned they may have been.
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