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St Mark: New religion defeating old?

 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm. about the modern Coptic Orthodox Church. No, they don't practice AE-style rituals. Yes, the Coptic language is the last surviving form of the ancient Egyptian language.

My local Coptic Church, St. Mark's, is hosting their annual 'Egypt in America' fair next weekend, and I can't wait to go. I love Egyptian food! Smile

The art in the main sanctuary seems more like the Greek Orthodox icons than any of the AE art, but some of the smaller icons that aren't in the formal sanctuary have a glimmer of AE in them, with the most important figure being larger than the others. Every year they add more icons, etc., and I love to see the progress they've made. A few years ago, they carved a row of AE Ankh symbols at chair-rail height around the sanctuary, and last year, they added a pair of lions to flank Pope Shenouda's throne.

I asked the acolyte who was giving church tours about the lions, as they were of a very similar style to an AE lion, a representation of Maahes, that's in the Cleveland Museum of Art. She told me the lions were a symbol of St. Mark, the founder of the Coptic faith, and that he had killed a lion in a wadi.

This got me to wondering - while many AE gods were represented symbolically by different animals, leonine/feline goddesses top the list, with about forty in number. (More, if you add the number of male gods with leonine/feline associations)While many of the AE temples still stand in one form or another, the lioness goddesses' temples are largely destroyed.

Which brings me to my question: Is it possible that the story of St. Mark killing the lion is a sort of holy allegory, symbolizing the new religion's defeat of the old?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's an interesting idea.
Maybe a combibation of both?
He could have really killed a lion - seems like something that leaders like to represent themselves doing?
But with the double meaning of it also depicting a victory of the new guard over the old.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kat wrote:

I asked the acolyte who was giving church tours about the lions, as they were of a very similar style to an AE lion, a representation of Maahes, that's in the Cleveland Museum of Art.

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I would love to see a picture of that Maahes in the Cleveland Museum of Art. I know you from Per Seshen (yahoo group) my username there is tjehen_netjer. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kat is this the one you were talking about?

http://www.clevelandart.org/kids/egypt/animals/lion1.html
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that's it - I think I posted more info about this piece at Per Seshen. Glad to see you here, too!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: Lions Reply with quote

Check out Gerald Massey's "Ancient Egypt Light of the World" on the Net. Click on Book 10 (The Exodus), and then 'Find' the word 'SHENIU'. This will take you to two or more paragraphs which explain the Egyptian Lions. I think however that the Lion may have had something to do with the Age of Leo. We do know that the old regime in Egypt remained faithful to the Age of Taurus after the New Age of Aries the Ram was rising in the night sky. This led to a terrible Civil War - mostly between indigenous Egyptians and the Semites or Hyksos - Shepherd Kings of Lower Egypt. Moses (Akhenaten) did his nut when he came down from the Great Pyramid and found his people still making graven images of bulls and calves, instead of rams. Genesis 46:33/34 is a direct reference to Shepherds being non-Egyptians, i.e. Hebrews. Genesis 31:12 in the KJV refers to rams leaping on the cattle (changed by idiots to goats in their own flocks). This is either saying that Semites were now mixing with Egyptians, or possibly attacking them. The Age of Pisces circa 255 BCE kicked off yet another religion. The temples at Luxor and Karnak are a mirror reflection of the constellation of Aries - there is a net page on this - and and avenue of rams connects the temples.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Karaum wrote:

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Check out Gerald Massey's "Ancient Egypt Light of the World" on the Net


Thanks, but I think I'll stick to books written by real Egyptologists.

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