Egyptian Dreams

[Sekhmet225]

I've read many places that some historians believe that Hatshepsut was the princess that drew Moses out of the river and that Thutmoses III
was the Pharoah of the Exodus. After doing some research I realized that this might very well be true. Has anyone came across any hardcore evidence.

[anneke]

There's an article in KMT journal called: "PHARAOH'S DAUGHTER & Her Adopted Hebrew "Son" by Omar Zuhdi"
VOLUME 14 . Number 4 . Winter 2003-04
http://www.egyptology.com/kmt/winter2003_04/index.html

I can't remember what the arguments were for placing Moses during the reign of Hatshepsut.

Other popular theories include that Moses was contemporary with Akhenaten.
Another theory has him as a contemporary of Ramesses II.

Another theory would place him much earlier: During the 2nd intermediate period roughly time of NeferhotepI and his brothers Si-Hathor and Sebekhotep (hope I remember the names correctly).

For as far as I can tell the problem is that there are no egyptian sources that give any evidence of Moses at all. This of course doesn't mean he could not have existed, just that there is no (egyptian) evidence that points to him.
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[Daughter_Of_SETI]

I've never heard of Moses being attributed to the reign of Hatshepsut...makes me wonder what points to that idea? The most convincing theory I've heard so far is that Ramses II was the pharaoh of the Exodus, so that would mean one of his daughters picked him out of the Nile (he had many daughters, so it's anyone's guess which one it could've been). The reason why Ramses II makes sense, is that one of the towns mentioned in association with the Exodus is 'Ramses' which was likely built by one of the Ramses, hence the Exodus would've had to have occurred during or after the reign of Ramses I. Also, the stela of Merenptah (constructed in his fifth ruling year) mentions the Israelites as wanderers, not as a country. I'm not too good with my Bible studies, so I don't quite know how this works, but apparently if you count back the years from the Israelites being wanderers in the fifth year of Merenptah, it would put the Exodus roughly in the twentieth year of Ramses II's reign. I think Ramses II's first son, Amunherkhepshef, died in about his seventeenth year, which is again why Ramses II seems likely.
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[Sekhmet225]

According to some sources Thutmoses had three other sons Amenose Ramoses Wadjmose from a lesser wife Mutnofret. Ramose is very close to the name Ramses. Ramoses other two brothers died in their teens. He grew up side by side with Moses. Seeing as Hatshepsut was the Queen Heir and Royal linage is carried through the female that would have made Moses Thutmoses II so to speak the one who conquered the Ethiopians. Moses in the bible is said to have married an Ethiopian woman. There is also Ethiopian myth that the king 's daughter was in love with Moses and in an attempt to create alliances he married the princess Tharbis. Some sources place the date of 1485 when Moses slew the Egyptian official and fled. This was 8 years before the death of Thutmoses I. Ramoses replaced Moses as Thutmose II pretty much picking up where he left off and taking credit. I found this all a little interesting so I'm still trying to match dates and biblical knowledge.

[isisinacrisis]

I've never heard of the Hatshepsut theory either and usually take these claims with a pinch of salt (thanks to the whole 'Moses and Akhenaten' thing-I know it's a different period of time but still...some authors love to extrapolate biblica-Egyptian archeology a little bit too far, if you know what I mean.)
Personally I don't believe the Hebrews were ever enslaved entirely by the Egyptians, and I'm not sure I believe the popular Ramses II theory either. Some things don't really fit, in my mind. I think kmt-sesh wrote somewhere a very interesting theory that the Exodus-if such a thing occured-took place much earlier, at the beginning of the new kingdom, and that maybe the Hyskos being expelled from Egypt could have been the inspiration for the Hebrew exodus (they weren't Hebrews, of course, but they were a Semitic people who fled Egypt).
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[anneke]

If Hatshepsut really fished Moses out of the Nile then she must have done that at a very early age.

Rougly estimated (from archeological record):
She likely married her bother Tuthmosis II when she was ca 15 years old.
She ruled as Queen for approx. 12 years, so she was ca 27 when she became regent for Tuthmosis III.
She ruled as regent and later as Pharaoh for some 22 years and died in her late 40s (early 50s). (This matches the estimated age of her mummy).

If she adopted Moses as a baby, she according to the bible did so as Pharaoh's daughter. I think that indicates she must have done so in her early teens.

If that is the case then Moses would have grown up at her court and must have become involved with the army and gone to Ethiopia during Hatshepsut's rule. I don't know of any royal princes or army commanders from that time that come close to matching any description of Moses.

Hatshepsut is never associated with any son. The only young boy we know that grew up under her care is Tuthmosis III himself and he certainly is not Moses as Tuthmosis lived, died, and was buried in Egypt.

I'm not so convinced by the dating to the time of Ramesses either. The fact that the hebrews are said to have built Pithom and Pi-Ramesses is not that convincing. The area where Pi-Ramesses was located was inhabited at several points in time before the new city was built. They could just as easily have been referring to one of those previous settlements but using a name that was more familiar to those who wrote the story.

I once read a comment that the whole exodus would have been a rather bad calamity. Moreover, Moses' behavior would have been seen as a betrayal. Egyptians really didn't record such events for posterity, so one wouldn't really expect to find any evidence of this whole story in the egyptian records.
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[kmt_sesh]

isisinacrisis wrote:

[Sekhmet225]

LOL!! Funny kmt_sesh... Thanx for sharing I'm still new to this. However I like the insight and the info is cool. More to read and weigh.

[kmt_sesh]

Always more to read! That's one of the things I love about ancient Egypt.
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