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Nefertiti's eyes - an article in Archaeology
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Osiris II wrote:

I can't imagine where those measurements could come from! (maybe the Baggy Look was "in" in ancient Egypt!)


Laughing Like today's teenagers? Underwear hiked up to the armpits and pants falling off their butt?

Never thought about it but he was a "terrible teen" wasn't he?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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.... when I posted that "plenty of people in Africa also bear this trait." <snip> For all I know the information is correct, but I'd be more comfortable with some corroboration. Laughing


I looked around and found several (rather old) articles describing people in africa with this epicanthic fold. It seems the trait does exist among people from the area of modern Sudan and some western regions of Africa.

It apparently also occurs sporadically among other population groups in Africa.

I got the information from JSTOR which gives access to scholarly articles. There are some references to the bushmen of the Kalahari and the hottentots. But I think it goes just a tad too far to suggest Nefertiti came from a family of Kalahari bushmen Very Happy

(ref: Bushmen of the Kalahari, by Phillip V. Tobias; Man 1957)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about the whole thoracic-abdominal cavity but some of the clothing in Tut's tomb does appear to me to have been designed to help...um...support his groin for riding chariots or horses. Something like this loincloth (Carter's #0403) was clearly meant to be tied to the hips quite snugly. You can review more linen garments on this page.

I would agree with you folks that a piece of clothing is dubious for determining one's exact measurements. Some Egyptian garments were very snug and others were very loose; many were anywhere in between. I agree with Osiris II's assessment of the CT scans performed on the mummy of the boy-king. The findings were for a normal young male of healthy status; the head is a bit unusual in shape but still within normal parameters.

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Laughing Like today's teenagers? Underwear hiked up to the armpits and pants falling off their butt?


Oh man, I see that all the time with boys in Chicago. My, how fashions change! I know that if I had dressed like that when I were fourteen or fifteen, I probably would've gotten beaten up every day at school. Razz

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But I think it goes just a tad too far to suggest Nefertiti came from a family of Kalahari bushmen Very Happy


Thanks for that heads-up, anneke. So it is true that this trait exists within certain groups in Africa but you're right, it's quite the stretch to apply this to Nefertiti. I'm going to have to be more careful with the EEF submissions I quote. Rolling Eyes
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kmt_sesh wrote:
Thanks for that heads-up, anneke. So it is true that this trait exists within certain groups in Africa but you're right, it's quite the stretch to apply this to Nefertiti.


I think it's also present among some population groups in the Sudan (Nubia) and it seems it also sporadically shows up among other population groups in Africa.

Bottom line seems to be that even though it's an interesting observation, it may be close to impossible to ever prove it?
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Bottom line seems to be that even though it's an interesting observation, it may be close to impossible to ever prove it?


Without a mummy that can be definitively identified as Nefertiti's, I'd say it's quite impossible to prove. And even with a mummy, the state of preservation would have to be pretty amazing.
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