Go to the Egyptian Dreams shop
Egyptian Dreams
Ancient Egypt Discussion Board
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Could this be an Amarna princess or Nefertiti herself ?

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Egyptian Dreams Forum Index -> Evidence from Amarna
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
neferwiwi
Citizen
Citizen


Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 59
Location: Geneva, Switzerland

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:01 pm    Post subject: Could this be an Amarna princess or Nefertiti herself ? Reply with quote

Hello to all !

Came across this very intruiging and amazing look-alike. The Virtual Egyptian page (no identity, only 18th dyn) lists it in the Louvre - but I cannot find it listed there. Does anyone know where it is (or who it is) - I am desperate to find a frontal and side view of this mask - or could be a sarcophagus head (hard to say from this photo).

It is so similar to the KV 63 find... Very spooky !

Thanks all for any help on this. Nefs.

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
anneke
Queen of Egypt
Queen of Egypt


Joined: 23 Jan 2004
Posts: 9305

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mask does look very "Amarnian". The eyes even seem to show the fold that Ertman claims is typical for the Amarna royal family.

The Louvre has a searchable database. There may be more information there. It would be very interesting to know where they found this face for instance.
_________________
Math and Art: http://mathematicsaroundus.blogspot.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
neferwiwi
Citizen
Citizen


Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 59
Location: Geneva, Switzerland

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried the Louvre, they don't seem to have it !!!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Rozette
Vizier
Vizier


Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Posts: 1185
Location: Belguim

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

neferwiwi,

This mask belongs to the Louvre Museum, I saw it there in October 2007.


I have a picture of this mask, if you want I will post him tonight Razz .



Rozette
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
neferwiwi
Citizen
Citizen


Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 59
Location: Geneva, Switzerland

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FOUND IT !!!!

Louvre E11647

Now I am very interested in hearing some comments - who could this be? I am going to contact the museum to find out where it comes from. Will keep you posted.



Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
neferwiwi
Citizen
Citizen


Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 59
Location: Geneva, Switzerland

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately, you cannot see the extraordinary definition of the lips outline. The photo here is not big enough to see. It DEFINATELY resembles the famous fragment of Queen Tiye (?) ... Here is the link to see the photo enlarge.

http://cartelen.louvre.fr/cartelen/visite?srv=car_not_frame&idNotice=3835


Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
neferwiwi
Citizen
Citizen


Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 59
Location: Geneva, Switzerland

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Food for thought... !

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
anneke
Queen of Egypt
Queen of Egypt


Joined: 23 Jan 2004
Posts: 9305

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's an article which suggests that this mask may actually come form the tomb of Tutankhamen.:
Susan James, "A Lost 'Mask' of Tutankhamen?" KMT Vol. 13 nš 1, spring 2002, 62-66 13 No. 1, spring 2002, 62-66

The problem is I think that the face was part of a larger coffin or statue and there are no (known) objects from Tut's tomb missing a face.
_________________
Math and Art: http://mathematicsaroundus.blogspot.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Segereh
Pharaoh
Pharaoh


Joined: 22 Apr 2004
Posts: 2934
Location: Bruges

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simply beautiful...
I searched for it, and also found this pic:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Eyes_in_wooden_coffin_E11647_mp3h8718.jpg

Quite stunning.
I was going to say it looked female...
But then again Amarna and post-Amarna style portraits are pretty androgynous.
Too bad we can't at least make out if it was property of royalty.
_________________
"Leave him in error who loves his error."
"Learn politeness from the impolite."

Feel free to visit my site in construction:
-- www.enks.net --
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
neferwiwi
Citizen
Citizen


Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 59
Location: Geneva, Switzerland

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are your thoughts on the similarity of the finely etched and outline of the lips of the Jasper fragment and this "mask" (which I too think is a coffin lid or statue).

Has anyone seen this type of detail on other objects ?

Too bad the ears are missing... this could be another clue to the identity.

Segereh - the photo is beautiful - thank you !
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Segereh
Pharaoh
Pharaoh


Joined: 22 Apr 2004
Posts: 2934
Location: Bruges

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

neferwiwi wrote:
What are your thoughts on the similarity of the finely etched and outline of
the lips of the Jasper fragment and this "mask" (which I too think is a coffin
lid or statue).

The lips do look very alike, but I have a problem with the chin.
If comparing these: the jasper fragment does look more feminine.
The first thing that came to mind when seeing these pictures though:
sorry for borrowing a pic from ur site, Anneke...



The intriguing Kiya.
_________________
"Leave him in error who loves his error."
"Learn politeness from the impolite."

Feel free to visit my site in construction:
-- www.enks.net --
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
anneke
Queen of Egypt
Queen of Egypt


Joined: 23 Jan 2004
Posts: 9305

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question has been asked on the EEF mailing list and there were some interesting responses.

The KMT article was mentioned more than once.

One member commented that the piece reminded her of a mask in the Smithsonian:
http://www.asia.si.edu/collections/singleObject.cfm?ObjectId=4540

She poses the question: could these be face masks from the royal mummy cache? She continues to say that she doesn't see any proof.
(A.D. Allen's comments)

I had not heard of missing masks from the royal cache?

But the question is: Where was this mask taken from. There are tendons for the attachment. Possibly to a coffin.
The claim that it came from Tut's tomb is problematic (as I mentioned above) in that there are no coffins missing a facemask in the tomb. Unless a whole coffin was "swiped" by Carter and Carnarvon?

I'm not sure if there are statues that had seperately attached face masks?

It also reminds me a bit of the beautiful face of Queen Meritamun
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/gavin.egypt/images/woa1a.jpg
_________________
Math and Art: http://mathematicsaroundus.blogspot.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ELISE
Scribe
Scribe


Joined: 18 Jul 2005
Posts: 169

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can think of one very famous coffin that's missing it's facemask........though that one looked to have been gold, or gold-leafed at the very least, which this isn't.....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Gypsy
Citizen
Citizen


Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Posts: 47

PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mask does bear a striking resemblance to Kiya.
_________________
"To speak the name of the dead is to make them live again."
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
burlgirl
Citizen
Citizen


Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 71
Location: Corinth, New York

PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also, obviously, love this mask. The lips make me think more of the reign of Amenhotep III. There are statues of him with a much more angular upper lip which is also larger than the bottom. I wouldn't bet my house on it, though, that it came from his reign.

Jo
_________________
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which
he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

Thomas Jefferson
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Egyptian Dreams Forum Index -> Evidence from Amarna All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group