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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nefertiti by Michelle Moran (Almost finished.)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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David and Solomon: In Search of the Bible's Sacred Kings and the Roots of the Western Tradition
by Israel Finkelstein

The Seventy Great Mysteries of Ancient Egypt.
by Bill Manley.

Both books prove how the Bible stories about David founding Jerusalem as a large city in the 1000BC when it happened at least 100 years later.

"Great Mysteries" discusses the Biblical Exodus and how it never happened as told in the "Holey Babble" and how no definate date can be given to it..

Both very interesting reading for a bedraggled refugee form the "Hloy' Roman Catholic Church


I really enjoyed David and Solomon, eccles. Finkelstein is one of my favorite biblical scholars, even if he is a bit controversial as a minimalist. He and William Dever, another great scholar and writer, often bump heads on many issues. It can get pretty amusing. Razz

I think Finkelstein presents some very solid points in David and Solomon. I also enjoyed his book The Bible Unearthed. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just finished the pharaohs by joyce tyldesley, and read her book on cleopatra earlier this year. i just finished a book the granddaughters of queen victoria by julia gelardi. and right now am currently reading madame de pompadour by margaret crosland. evelyn lever's book on her is phenomenal.
im also watching the tudors with jonathan rhys myers and natalie dormer, which is begging some questions, so the next book i read will be the six wives.....by either david starkey (which is really good, i started this in the library, didnt finish, so bought it) or alison weir, who writes extensively on tudor and medieval royalty.
ive recently finished dodson and hilton's royal families, and john romer's valley of the kings. both fantastic books.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i just finished a book the granddaughters of queen victoria by julia gelardi.


Very Happy What a coincidence, so did I. Fascinating reading.
I repeatedly wanted to either scream at or throttle Queen Victoria though ...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kylejustin wrote:

im also watching the tudors with jonathan rhys myers and natalie dormer, which is begging some questions, so the next book i read will be the six wives.....by either david starkey (which is really good, i started this in the library, didnt finish, so bought it) or alison weir, who writes extensively on tudor and medieval royalty.


I really like the Tudors, but they do take some artistic license here and there Very Happy
I have read many (if not most) of Alison Weir's books. I really like her style of writing. I'm reading her book on Katherine Swynford, mistress and later wife of John of Gaunt.

Looks like our book shelves are very similar ......
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just finished "Cleopatra and Antony" by Diana Preston. This was a nice readable overview of their lives and put their legend into the context of the times and of other's, particularly Octavian's, attempts to rewrite history.

Am still going through "Thutmose III: A New Biography" edited by Eric H. Cline and David O'Connor. Scholarly and slow going. Called by the editors, "an enigmatic king" who everyone who's studied Egyptian history thinks they know well, a closer examination shows that in many cases we really do not understand this man, what he did, how and why he did it.

Finally, I'm reading "King and Goddess" by Judith Tarr. It's actually better than I thought it would be as a novel but some of the historical howlers almost had me putting it down in .

I mean seriously, I can deal with a historical novelist tinkering with a few dates here and there to make a better story especially in a period where actual dates for major events are a rarity and largely a matter of scholarly opinion, but she knocks off Hatshepsut's daughter Nefrure during the regency period when it's about as well attested as anything can be in this period, that Nefrure was alive and well in Year 11--long after her mother had taken the titles of King--well that's just not right. She also gets the names of Senenmut's brothers wrong--a minor thing but once again--somewhat sloppy.

On the other hand I'm kind of liking her characterizations. Hatshepsut as a beautiful, charismatic, unconventional charmer--that works. (oh well maybe following the identification of her mummy as that of a fat 50ish woman suffering from a formidable range of illnesses--we may have to drop the beautiful part--at least toward the end of her life.) Thutmose III as a brilliant but uncomunicative child dreaming of conquest--and revenge--sure. Senenmut as a surefire, but somewhat arrogant, genius with one foot in the home of his very ordinary family and one foot in the palace as favorite and defender of the queen, works for me. Nehshi as the silent, devoted defender of the queen, why not? Hapusoneb as a somewhat impish Priest of Amon who becomes High Priest, unconventional but the characterization is so unusual that I found myself liking it. I've always thought of him as an old cleric--and political power player.

Haven't finished it yet but I'm finding it hard to put down--until she pulls of another historical howler--of course.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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kylejustin wrote:
i just finished a book the granddaughters of queen victoria by julia gelardi.


Very Happy What a coincidence, so did I. Fascinating reading.
I repeatedly wanted to either scream at or throttle Queen Victoria though ...


really? i thought she was a bit off in some the scenes reported, but overall i think she loved her family. though liking the kaiser was a bad move! i think she turned in her grave when WWI came out and got a lot of her family killed.

anneke wrote:
I have read many (if not most) of Alison Weir's books. I really like her style of writing. I'm reading her book on Katherine Swynford, mistress and later wife of John of Gaunt.

Looks like our book shelves are very similar ......


i have 5 on the shelf! havnt read them all though! i did read this one earlier this year. was great to start with, but i found it got boring in the middle. so i started another book. and then i lost interest and started another one! i made myself finish all 3 before the next one though!
she is more bearable than antonia fraser though. she is just long winded and full of irrelevant detail. i read her book on marie antoinette, and it took a while. i then read evelyn lever's one later, and it was just so readable. i found it hard to put down. it covered all the relevant aspects off her life, but didnt go into detail about the revolution, or the way life was at versailles. i mean it touched those subjects, but didnt devote whole chapters in the middle of the story, like fraser does!
and yes, our book shelves do sound similar! Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am reading The Count of Monte Christo, also AE magazine 9-2,10-2, KMT Fall 2009. Does it count? Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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eccles wrote:
David and Solomon: In Search of the Bible's Sacred Kings and the Roots of the Western Tradition
by Israel Finkelstein

The Seventy Great Mysteries of Ancient Egypt.
by Bill Manley.

Both books prove how the Bible stories about David founding Jerusalem as a large city in the 1000BC when it happened at least 100 years later.

"Great Mysteries" discusses the Biblical Exodus and how it never happened as told in the "Holey Babble" and how no definate date can be given to it..

Both very interesting reading for a bedraggled refugee form the "Hloy' Roman Catholic Church


I really enjoyed David and Solomon, eccles. Finkelstein is one of my favorite biblical scholars, even if he is a bit controversial as a minimalist. He and William Dever, another great scholar and writer, often bump heads on many issues. It can get pretty amusing. Razz

I think Finkelstein presents some very solid points in David and Solomon. I also enjoyed his book The Bible Unearthed. Smile


I just finished "David & Solomon" and put "The Bible Unearthed" on my list at Amazon.

"David & Solomon" certainly shows what a mess the Bible is. One does not know what is fact, history, fable or propaganda. That is why I can't take the Bible seriously. I recently read from Genesis to Kings II and got so fed up with it, I never want to read any more of the Bible again. To me it is the worst book of fiction ever written - so hard to follow. It contradicts itself. It is total crap. I got too much of the New testament as a Roman Catholic: one reason why I am Atheist.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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really? i thought she was a bit off in some the scenes reported, but overall i think she loved her family. though liking the kaiser was a bad move! i think she turned in her grave when WWI came out and got a lot of her family killed.


I thought she was horribly selfish in the way she treated her children. The part about isolating Princess Beatrix and not allowing her to hear anything about love or marriage, so that she could keep her as her personal secretary was just outrageous I think.

Similarly, the way she treated Helena (Lenchen) was just wrong. Never allowing them a real seperate life, so it wouldn't inconvenience the queen?

I did like how she tried to protect Alice's children. But that (without her fault) didn't work out so well.

Very Happy Yeah I can't imagine she would have been overly proud of Willy ...
Probably a good thing she never knew about that. Or the massacre of the Russian royal family for that matter.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taken from the English Royalty Family Tree site:

The royal family's official name, or lack thereof, became a problem during World War I, when people began to mutter that Saxe-Coburg-Gotha sounded far too German. King George V and his family needed a new, English-sounding name. After considering every possible name, from Plantagenet to Tudor-Stuart to simply England, the king and his advisors chose the name Windsor.

The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha name came through Victoria's husband, Prince Albert.
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people began to mutter that Saxe-Coburg-Gotha sounded far too German.

Long live Belgium: we simply didn't care.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have read many (if not most) of Alison Weir's books. I really like her style of writing. I'm reading her book on Katherine Swynford, mistress and later wife of John of Gaunt.


can't wait for her book on anne boleyn. queen victoria was selfish, but she was queen of england, and was going to lonely if all her children moved out.
can you imagine all your kids moving out, and husband predeceasing you, then you have to live in buckingham palace all by your self?

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King George V and his family needed a new, English-sounding name.


explains why the queen doesnt want her future dynasties called the house of schleswig holstein sonderburg glucksburg add windsor on too that!!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heretic Queen by Michelle Moran
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm taking a break from serious books...
I LOVE British mysteries!
Currently reading "Trouble In Type" by Florence Bell. On a scale of 1 to 10, give it a 4... Surprised
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