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CSM Citizen

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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:55 pm Post subject: Evidence to suggest Sphinx was recarved during New Kingdom? |
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We know subsequent pharaohs often usurped monuments of their predecessors. As far as I know, this was usually by replacing the 'old pharaoh's' cartouche with the cartouche of the usurper.
Is there any evidence of statuary actually being recarved into the image of the usurper? Building on this, like the topic states, does anyone know if there is legitimate evidence to suggest the head/face of the Sphinx was not only restored during the New Kingdom but also usurped and recarved? This could possibly explain why the head seems too small and out of proportion to the body.
Thanks for any help. |
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anneke Queen of Egypt


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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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There's an interesting discussion here online.
The short version is that El Mahdy has suggested that possibly Tuthmosis IV not only placed the dream stela between the paws after clearing the monument of excessive sand, but may have also done a touch up on the face.
I don't know enough about the Egyptian language to say what the proper translation is and if there is a suggestion of a recarving, but it sounds interesting.
I'm not sure what would have caused Tuthmosis IV to recarve the head though. Unless it was so severely weatered / damaged that it was necessary? |
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CSM Citizen

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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| Thank you very much for the link. An interesting read to say the least... |
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Lutz Scribe


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Osiris II Vizier

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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know what you mean by "twisted", Lutz.
The portion in the BM is just the usual braided false beard.
Actually, the dis-proportion of the head compared to the body is a very stong suggestive element that the head was re-carved at some time. Anneke's suggestion of a "touch-up" makes sense. |
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Lutz Scribe


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Lutz Scribe


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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Lutz wrote: | | Osiris II wrote: | | I don't know what you mean by "twisted" ... |
With "twisted" I mean "twisted" (German : "geflochten" and French : "tordu"...). |
After some thinking about now I know what the problem was : misunderstanding in translation, sorry. Braided (not twisted) is the right word in English for German "geflochten".
But | Osiris II wrote: | | ... the usual braided false beard ... |
(in German "Götterbart" - "gods beard") is, as far as I know, contemporary not attested for statues of kings from the Old Kingdom. Most of them show this version :
Khafra - Quefrén - Wikipedia
Maybe the braided beard for kings is connected with the rise of Osiris ? But I can not remember seen a statue of a Middle Kingdom king with this beard ...
Sphinx of King Senwosret III - MMA New York
Greetings,
Lutz |
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creamcrackered Citizen

Joined: 28 Oct 2009 Posts: 1 Location: LONDON
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| i heard somewhere that the sphinx used to have wings. is this true. if so what happened to them. |
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anneke Queen of Egypt


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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| creamcrackered wrote: | | i heard somewhere that the sphinx used to have wings. is this true. if so what happened to them. |
I have never heard of the Sphinx in Giza having wings.
And I think that having stretched out wings would be almost impossible the sculpt at that scale?
I think there may be other depictions of sphinxes with wings? Maybe flattened/folded against the body though:
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CSM Citizen

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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I always thought the the Greek Sphinx had wings...the Egyptian Sphinx is something else entirely and would not even be known as "The Sphinx" if it weren't for the Greeks... |
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| CSM wrote: | | I always thought the the Greek Sphinx had wings...the Egyptian Sphinx is something else entirely and would not even be known as "The Sphinx" if it weren't for the Greeks... |
CSM? Cigarette Smoking Man?
Showing my former Philedom. |
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