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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said before, Josephus had no use for Egyptians, especially their historians, whom he thought were a bunch of ant-Semites. Josephus wrote an entire book against one of them--Apion. So, what Josephus basically said was, even though the Egyptians were anti-Semitic, they still considered Moses "practically divine". It made Josephus mad that some Egyptian historians, one being Manetho (who doesn't really exhibit any anti-Semitism) seemed to mix up the Hebrews with a bunch of Egyptian lepers, who joined them in a revolt against a certain king of Egypt. In other words, the Egyptians had a different story to tell from that of the Pentateuch.

I wrote an entire book, "The Exodus Chronicles", about all these matters.
It is not very expensive and I think would answer any questions about who Moses can possibly have been. Not that I can pinpoint him specifically, but I do offer several candidates and give the reasons why. I also cite the candidates proposed by others.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just ordered it... Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, what you think about Winifred Brunton? Wasn't she the great painter? Her portrait of Nefertiti and Ankhusanum are beautiful and Ramsses II looks funny. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hathorhotep wrote:
Oh, what you think about Winifred Brunton? Wasn't she the great painter? Her portrait of Nefertiti and Ankhusanum are beautiful and Ramsses II looks funny. Laughing


She painted a whole lot better than I ever could. The most beautiful - for me - is her portrait of Ankhesenamun; the portrait of an old (and obese) AIII and Tye brings me to the question if he was "on oxygen" (of course he wasn't, but have a close look at the portrait.) Tye is beautiful too in her older years, definitely not a Lady to say "No" to, even if she would ask you to jump in the "crocodile pool" Smile , that I can read from the expression on her face!

Thank you for bringing Winifred Brunton to our attention, Hathorhotep!

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Ramses II looks very funny on her picture. I mean, this is probably how looks Pepi II. Was he really the longest living pharaoh or was that Rameses?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you say so <sigh>

Pepi II - Died 2184 BC (aged 100)
[b]Rameses II - Died 1213 BC (Born ca 1300 BC)

You tell me, I would put my money on Pepi II

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There is only one big difference between them: Pepi was homosexual or at least bisexual, and Rameses was heterosexual.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That story about Neferkare (Pepi) and Sasenet only appears in later writings. The texts date to the 19th to 25th dynasty. It may date to the end of the middle kingdom, and hence quite a while after the actual reign of Pepi.

So who knows what it means. Maybe Pepi had a fling with a man, maybe it's a literary device to comment on the decadence of the time to explain why Egypt more or less collapsed after that.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hathorhotep wrote:
There is only one big difference between them: Pepi was homosexual or at least bisexual, and Rameses was heterosexual.


However that was not he question; the question was answered correctly, and whether he was gay or not is(was) Pepi's private matter and not ours, and why do you keep phishing for intimate details of people's lives, even if they are gone for over 3000 year, is that some kind of an obsession with you?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't be rude, Rich! icon_biggrin

Just kidding! angel4 We know that Napoleon was small, this queen had a lover, this princess was witch etc. So what is wrong if wanna know something about pharaoh's personality, his feelings and his words? If they are recorded, then we must see it. Khufu's words are recorded in Westcar, and Pepi's too. He was not gay, but bisexual man. Had a lover from army.

I think is very mean to think that these people have not lovers, they cheeted themselves etc. This was truth and always soch things happened, among commoners and royals. Whole history of happines, religion, culture but also lays, murderes etc. Etcetera.
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Don't be rude, Rich! icon_biggrin

Just kidding! angel4 We know that Napoleon was small, this queen had a lover, this princess was witch etc. So what is wrong if wanna know something about pharaoh's personality, his feelings and his words? If they are recorded, then we must see it. Khufu's words are recorded in Westcar, and Pepi's too. He was not gay, but bisexual man. Had a lover from army.

I think is very mean to think that these people have not lovers, they cheeted themselves etc. This was truth and always soch things happened, among commoners and royals. Whole history of happines, religion, culture but also lays, murderes etc. Etcetera.


Again playing with names "Hattie"? Of course you can prove that story (otherwise you should be writing historical novels Think

I was not rude, I merely asked a question, which you still haven't answered; now talking about rude: that is rude; but we're drifting off topic from queens with lovers, princesses who turn out to be witches; are you sure you weren't reading from a fairy tale?

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