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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:52 pm    Post subject: Cats and pointy ears or not in Ancient Egypt Reply with quote

That first attempt to start this thread obviously failed, retry:

Recently I posted this image of a (Ptolematic) Statue of Bastet:


, which opened a discussion on the rounded ears of the cat, and the request for a separate thread was posted, so... here it is!

Later I posted this one to reply the rendered golden computer image:

Let's have this one in stead (this is the Gayer-Anderson Cat; Made out of bronze, from the Late Period about 664-332 BC. It is a representation of the cat-goddess Bastet. The cat wears jewellery and a protective wedjat amulet. A winged scarab appears on the chest and head. This sculpture is now known as the Gayer-Anderson cat, after its donor to The British Museum, where it still resides):


@ Ranoferhotep Even though this is a real cat, please note the rounded ears, but doesn't she look proud, a real goddess? Was it fashionable or admiration to give a Bastet statue golden earrings?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess this will take us some time to get out, whether cats had rounded or pointy ears. I found these originals, also late period which are well known depictions of Bastet.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ranoferhotep wrote:
I guess this will take us some time to get out, whether cats had rounded or pointy ears. I found these originals, also late period which are well known depictions of Bastet.



Hello Ranoferhotep,

I must admit that while looking for yet another cat that most of the statues have real pointed ears. The Gayer-Anderson cat though seems to have been repair quite extensively, as told on this page:

Examination of the Gayer-Anderson cat

From the X Ray (see below) I read that its ears were less pointy than they are today, but that is open for discussion.

The X Ray:



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Toth, I guess you stumbled on a special statue. It is hard to tell whether the statue is damaged. Meanwhile I found another late period example, the tips of the ears are also rounded, but I guess this is more because these statues were probably made in large quantities reusing the same malls to cast them.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I simply adore the Louvre's cats
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robson wrote:
I simply adore the Louvre's cats


Ah Ranoferhotep's is the famous "Bastet with kittens" one,

In your image the kittens clearly have grown up. Very Happy

Ranoferhotep in the X Ray you can see how serious the damage was (the flank, the ears), also a cast made 300 BC still is an ancient statue to me, wouldn't you agree? I like all of these statues, BTW

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A cast 300 BC may be called an ancient one. It is a very interesting article about the Gayer-Anderson cat.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ranoferhotep wrote:
A cast 300 BC may be called an ancient one. It is a very interesting article about the Gayer-Anderson cat.

I agree on both accounts, Ranoferhotep, here is a more descriptive page about the statue, without the X Ray:

http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/aes/b/bronze_figure_of_a_seated_cat.aspx

I you look to the right of the close-up photo, you will find two arrows which give you access to different "cat related" items, including the statue in bronze of Bastet and a full litter of her kittens

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Cats and pointy ears or not in Ancient Egypt Reply with quote

Toth wrote:
That first attempt to start this thread obviously failed, retry:

Recently I posted this image of a (Ptolematic) Statue of Bastet:


, which opened a discussion on the rounded ears of the cat, and the request for a separate thread was posted, so... here it is!

Later I posted this one to reply the rendered golden computer image:

Let's have this one in stead (this is the Gayer-Anderson Cat; Made out of bronze, from the Late Period about 664-332 BC. It is a representation of the cat-goddess Bastet. The cat wears jewellery and a protective wedjat amulet. A winged scarab appears on the chest and head. This sculpture is now known as the Gayer-Anderson cat, after its donor to The British Museum, where it still resides):


@ Ranoferhotep Even though this is a real cat, please note the rounded ears, but doesn't she look proud, a real goddess? Was it fashionable or admiration to give a Bastet statue golden earrings?

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Are you sure this was a cat statue and not that of a baby lion or other wild cat.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we all can agree that this is definitely a cast representing a cat. Lionís, even baby lions, though they belong to the same family, have quite a different build, and are represented in A.E. art also accordingly.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ranoferhotep wrote:
I think we all can agree that this is definitely a cast representing a cat. Lion’s, even baby lions, though they belong to the same family, have quite a different build, and are represented in A.E. art also accordingly.


So the thought is now that all (and I have seen several since my initial post) cats with rounded ears are baby lions? But if one of our members has a cat like that I hope he, or she, is willing to post a photo of the living animal.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Was it fashionable or admiration to give a Bastet statue golden earrings?

The earrings in the Gayer-Anderson Cat aren't the originals, but I believe the cats representing Bastet are adorned with earrings due to the fact that gods and goddesses were shown in jewellery, so it could simply be a mark of status.

I hadn't really considered the rounded v's pointed ears, as I just assume they are depicting different breeds of cat. All the ancient Egyptian depictions of cats that I have are of cats with rounded ears, except the one depicted on the ostraca. See here: http://djeserkara-felines.blogspot.com
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Toth wrote:
Was it fashionable or admiration to give a Bastet statue golden earrings?

The earrings in the Gayer-Anderson Cat aren't the originals, but I believe the cats representing Bastet are adorned with earrings due to the fact that gods and goddesses were shown in jewellery, so it could simply be a mark of status.


You could be right about that, I have seen it more, on other depictions of Bastet

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I hadn't really considered the rounded v's pointed ears, as I just assume they are depicting different breeds of cat. All the ancient Egyptian depictions of cats that I have are of cats with rounded ears, except the one depicted on the ostraca. See here: http://djeserkara-felines.blogspot.com


You can say whatever you want, but Qetesh has also a tendency to rounder ears, at least on that photo; really pointed ears cats are the Siamese ones... I think

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I believe the cats around in Ancient Egyptian times were the felis chaus (Jungle Cat): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FelisChausMunsiari1.jpg felis silvestris lybica (African Wildcat): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AfricanWildCat.jpg and felis serval (Serval): http://www.wild-about-you.com/Images/galleryServal1L.jpg
These all seem to have rounded ears, like their modern decendants; Chausie, Abyssinian, Egyptian Mau, Savannah, Serengeti, etc. It makes me wonder if the pointed representation is an artistic way of showing the flared ears? Cats always seem to have a more "wild" look when they point or twist their ears...maybe they're showing a more "dominant" side to the cat?? This could especially be the case in drawn/painted depictions, but maybe not so much in sculpted versions, as they would have to show a twist to the ears, too??
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Daughter_Of_SETI wrote:
I believe the cats around in Ancient Egyptian times were the felis chaus (Jungle Cat): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FelisChausMunsiari1.jpg felis silvestris lybica (African Wildcat): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AfricanWildCat.jpg and felis serval (Serval): http://www.wild-about-you.com/Images/galleryServal1L.jpg
These all seem to have rounded ears, like their modern decendants; Chausie, Abyssinian, Egyptian Mau, Savannah, Serengeti, etc. It makes me wonder if the pointed representation is an artistic way of showing the flared ears? Cats always seem to have a more "wild" look when they point or twist their ears...maybe they're showing a more "dominant" side to the cat?? This could especially be the case in drawn/painted depictions, but maybe not so much in sculpted versions, as they would have to show a twist to the ears, too??


As for the African Wild cat: I know his nephew, he lives (much more polished) here in the street, so would those be the ancestors of our Orange tabby cats, they could have migrated over to our regions through Ancient Egypt...? Cats have a more "wild look" at least to me when they put their ears flat (usually they show their teeth too then)

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