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Granite
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| Thanks for your very informative post, Neteria. I've looked for the other bust you mention, but with no success.Can anybody help? It would be interesting to know if it was inscribed with Akhenaten's name; I don´t see any cartouches anywhere on the Louvre one. At the time it was found, nobody had heard of any other Amarna pharaoh, so all male portraits were naturally ascribed to him. |
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Rozette
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| Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Akhenaten Kestner museum, Germany
The Louvre and Kestner museum heads of Akhenaton may belong to statues like the headless statue of Akhenaten in the Ashmolean museum.
The statue ( (Ht. 90 cm) belongs to a pair of headless statues of "Akhenaten and Nefertiti" ( Silsilah sandstone), found on 4th February 1924 in rubbish 50 cm above floor in the north-east corner of small chamber at west end of L 50,12 very near to the shrine-platform of L 50,9, from which they had probably thrown out.
The statue of Nefertiti, now in the British Museum, has lost head, feet above ankles and base, most of the tablet with the right lower arm and the left hand.
Each was represented standing with feet together, on a plain rectangular plinth, with inscribed pilaster at the back...........
Source :
Excavations at Tell el-'Amarnah, 1923-4.
A. Statuary
F. Ll. Griffith
The Journal of Egyptian Archaeology, Vol. 17, No. 3/4 (Nov., 1931), pp. 179-184
Published by: Egypt Exploration Society
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Lutz
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| Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Neteria wrote: | | This statue is known as the "Jeune Akhenaton" from the Louvre. ... |
To whom, except you?
| Neteria wrote: | | ... The kingly garb being worn, from a time when his father was still alive and active, ... |
Does say who? Documents?
| Neteria wrote: | | ...would indicate that a co-regency had been already established. ... |
Same with that ...
| Neteria wrote: | | ... The youthful looks are probably not all that uncommon if this was a new King to be worshipped as such. ... |
Dietrich Wildung : Kunstwerk des Monats Februar 2001 - Büste des Königs Echnaton. - In: aMun - Magazin für die Freunde der Ägyptischen Museen. - Berlin : Verein, 2001. - Heft 10. - S. 25 :
"... Slit-shaped eyes with severe upper eyelid, drooping mouth, a tapered, hanging chin. The posture is characteristic: the neck is bent far forward, to a nearly hunchbacked figure. Compared to the extremely non-anatomic representations of the early portraits of the king (pictured below left) is the style moderate, so that the bust within the reign of Akhenaten (1353 to 1336 BC.) dated in the later years. It therefore fits stylistically to the time of Nefertiti's bust, which - as noted only recently - can be seen in their highly visible bags under the eyes of the advanced age of the queen. ..."
(The original text is in German : "... Schlitzförmige Augen mit schwerem Oberlid, hängende Mundwinkel, ein spitz zulaufendes, hängendes Kinn. Auch die Körperhaltung ist charakteristisch: Der Nacken ist weit nach vorn gebeugt, so daß eine fast bucklige Gestalt entsteht. gegenüber den extrem unanatomischen Darstellungen der frühen Bildnisse des Königs (Abb. unten links) ist der Stil gemäßigt, so daß die Büste innerhalb der Regierungszeit Echnatons (1353-1336 v.Chr.) in die späten Jahre zu datieren ist. Damit fügt sie sich stilistisch in die Zeit der Nofretete-Büste, die - wie erst neuerdings festgestellt - in ihren deutlich sichtbaren Tränensäcken unter den Augen das fortgeschrittene Alter der Königin erkennen läßt. ...")
| Neteria wrote: | | ... he is also wearing the Khepresh, so there must have been a series of "the new king" official portraits with the blue helmet. ... |
Akhenaten prefers at all phases of his government the blue crown. Therefore, this can not be seen as an dating criterion.
Berlin has an almost identical piece (Berlin ÄMP 21360). The parts of this bust, which was apparently deliberately destroyed, were found on the same day and in the same room as the famous bust of Nefertiti. Both were never part of a statue, they are modells for sculptors.
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Rozette
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| Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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Lutz wrote :
| Quote: | Berlin has an almost identical piece (Berlin ÄMP 21360). The parts of this bust, which was apparently deliberately destroyed, were found on the same day and in the same room as the famous bust of Nefertiti. Both were never part of a statue, they are modells for sculptors.
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Thanks for the information about the destroyed bust of Akhenaten (Berlin ÄMP 21360), Lutz  !
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Lutz
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| Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Rozette wrote: | | Thanks for the information about the destroyed bust of Akhenaten (Berlin ÄMP 21360) ... |
See Ludwig Borchardt : Porträts der Königin Nofret-ete aus den Grabungen 1912 / 13 in Tell El-Amarna. - [Ausgrabungen der Deutschen Orientgesellschaft in Tell El-Amarna III]. - Leipzig : Hinrichs, 1923. - page 30 ff.
Greetings, Lutz |
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Lutz
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Bust of Akhenaten (Berlin ÄMP 21360) see Ludwig Borchardt : Porträts der Königin Nofret-ete aus den Grabungen 1912 / 13 in Tell El-Amarna. - [Ausgrabungen der Deutschen Orientgesellschaft in Tell El-Amarna III]. - Leipzig : Hinrichs, 1923. - Page 30 ff. - Figures 27 - 29 :
Greetings, Lutz. |
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Lutz
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Neteria wrote: | | This statue is known as the "Jeune Akhenaton" from the Louvre. The kingly garb being worn, from a time when his father was still alive and active, would indicate that a co-regency had been already established. ... This portrait of Akhenaten looks just as young as the Louvre's and he is also wearing the Khepresh, so there must have been a series of "the new king" official portraits with the blue helmet. ... |
Christophe Barbotin : Les statues égyptiennes du Nouvel Empire - 2 Volumes. - Paris : Institute Kheops / Musee de Louvre, 2007. - Vol. I - Texte. - p. 67 :
| Quote: | | "... Iconographie : le collier très large recouvrant la totalité des épaules est attesté sur d'autres images d'Akhénaton de la deuxième partie de son règne. Son aspect primitif peut être restitué d'après le buste de Berlin (trois rangs de perles, filets de limite des rangs marqués d'un épais trait bleu foncé). ... |
Google :
| Quote: | | "... Iconography : the collar wide covering the whole shoulder is attested in other images of Akhenaten in the second part of his reign. Its original appearance can be restored after the bust of Berlin (three rows of beads, threads limit rows marked with a thick dark blue line). ..." |
The bust was bought in Egypt in 1905.
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Granite
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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Curious; the garments are late-Amarna style, but the face is very young compared to other representations of Akhenaten.
I'm not trying to be difficult, but the Kestner bust looks more like Nefertiti, especially the front view and the mouth! |
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stephaniep
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| The very beautiful Kestner bust looks to me like a very young Akhenaten. Teens often have very thin angular faces which fill out later. The mouth does look like Nefertiti's but she is always shown with that slight smile. In profile, it's him. |
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Lutz
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Here is an interesting picture from Ludwig Borchardt : Ausgrabungen in Tell el-Amarna 1912/13 - Vorläufiger Bericht. - MDOG zu Berlin 52, 1913, p. 40-41 :
Model bust of Amenhotep IV (Paris, Louvre E 11076 and Berlin, ÄMP 21360).
Greetings, Lutz. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks Lutz, for the additional photos. The chin looks quite different in profile than the Kestner bust. |
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Lutz
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Peter Munro : Ein Königskopf der Amarna-Zeit im Kestner-Museum. - In: Städel Jahrbuch - Neue Folge - Bd. 4. - München : Prestel Verlag, 1973. - pp. 1-25 :
(Hannover, Kestner-Museum, 1970.49)
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stephaniep
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Lutz,
Wow, what a great collection of angles of the kestner bust. Thank you so much. |
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karnsculpture
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| Thankyou, very interesting and beautiful. Really looks like a child of Akhenaten and Nefertiti to me (Meritaten?), and also some of the statuary from KV62. Female pharoah? Whatever, it doesn't look like Akhenaten to me. |
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MarcMara
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Could this actually be the boy-king Tutankhamun - when he was still Tutankhaten... It could be a portrait of the new Pharaoh while he was still living at Akhetaten.
It seems to me this would fit the facts of its discovery better. And there is a definite hint of a spinal problem in the pose - that would fit with what is suggested by Tut's need for support when standing, his collection of staffs and so on...
Whatcha think?
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