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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:23 am    Post subject: sandals Reply with quote

Hi all,
I have a question? In Dyads from the eighteenth dynasty, is there a particular reason for some women to be represented barefoot whereas there husbands are depicted wearing sandals
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Examples please!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:17 pm    Post subject: re:examples Reply with quote

Hi,
thanks for yr quick reply,
those are two examples:
Metropolitan Museum MMA 62. 86.
The British Museum double statue EA 36 (now recognized as belonging to Horemheb and his wife).
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:43 pm    Post subject: Re: re:examples Reply with quote

Tausert wrote:
... two examples: Metropolitan Museum MMA 62. 86.
The British Museum double statue EA 36 ...

With these numbers I was not able to find the objects on the websites of the museums. How about you are giving a link ?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yuny and His Wife, Renenutet (New York, MMA 15.2.1)

Horemheb and one of his wives (London, BM 36)

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the links Lutz. Now the initial question remains. “is there a particular reason for some women to be represented barefoot whereas there husbands are depicted wearing sandals?”

Now this is pure speculation from my part, could it be that man were thought of to be more going out, were woman were more seen as staying at home?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any statement on the subject remains speculative. As far as I know there is no really clear evidence for the possible significance of it. Also possible would be, for example, a sign of worship / reverence.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lutz wrote:
Any statement on the subject remains speculative. As far as I know there is no really clear evidence for the possible significance of it. Also possible would be, for example, a sign of worship / reverence.


To support Lutz's comment on the lack of significance as to sandal-wearing, I would hasten to note that a 1996 study of sandal-wearing in Old Kingdom imagery came to the conclusion that sandal-wearing did not seem to convey status, gender difference, or symbolic significance. One could be equally shown wearing sandals or being barefoot. The author concluded that sandal-wearing did not imply some particular distinction enjoyed by the wearer, and simply is a matter of personal choice.

I would suspect the same applies to the Ramessid imagery discussed. I can recall similar statuary from the same period, or slightly earlier, where the woman's feet are shod.

See:

Siebels, R. 1996. The Wearing of Sandals in Old Kingdom Tomb Decoration. BACE 7: 75-88.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks both Lutz en Neseret. I’m not so good as you and can’t quote books or sites as you do. For what I remember sandals were a token of welfare. Sandals had also great importance in hierarchy, the title “Sandal bearer of the king” was one of the highest titles one could achieve.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ranoferhotep wrote:
... For what I remember sandals were a token of welfare. Sandals had also great importance in hierarchy, the title “Sandal bearer of the king” was one of the highest titles one could achieve.

Sandals were everyday items and standard grave goods in all social classes. Not the sandal itself but the presence of a sandal bearer (personal valet) indicated the high rank of a person.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:17 pm    Post subject: another example Reply with quote

here is another example, a stela dated to the time of Amenhotep III now in Leiden. the stela shows 4 men and a woman, again all men are wearing sandals and she is not.
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Kate Bosse-Griffiths, The Memphite Stela of Merptaḥ and Ptaḥmosĕ, in
The Journal of Egyptian Archaeology, Vol. 41 (Dec., 1955), pp. 56-63.

I am not aware of antecedants in the Old and Middle kingdom but the tradition if I may call it as such seems to continue throughout the eighteenth dynasty well into the Ramesside era!

can anyone suggest a reference to begin with. Idea
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: another example Reply with quote

Tausert wrote:
... can anyone suggest a reference to begin with. ...

Katherine has already done ... See here post from Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 6:05 pm :

Siebels, R. : The Wearing of Sandals in Old Kingdom Tomb Decoration. - BACE 7 (1996) pp. 75-88.

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