Egyptian Dreams

kylejustin · Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:00 pm Post subject:

i always think of the painstaking chiseling away of hat's image in the deir el bahri temple. would've been easier to just usurp her inscriptions and such rather than chisel away her image? a few of her statues survive so i don't think it was a particurly vicious attack on her memory a la damnatio memoriae. they bricked up her obelisk at karnak didn't they? it all just seems a bit extreme.

i get the inscriptions refer to a woman, but surely they could have adjusted them? and if thutmose or amenhotep was worried people wouldn't know of a regency after her reign 'disappeared', they could've utilised the carvings to suggest thutmose and amenhotep had a co regency instead of hat.
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Meretseger · Priest Joined: 02 Jan 2010 Posts: 588

I've wondered about that too. Why erase leaving a very obvious blank instead of usurp? But then that's exactly what Horemheb did with Amarna pharaohs so maybe there were reasons we can't guess at.

Meretseger · Priest Joined: 02 Jan 2010 Posts: 588

Anneke, some of the statue fragments recovered near Deir el Bahri seem to have been very brutally defaced with the eyes gouged out etc. Or could it be the workman felt particularly hostile towards their task and took it out on the statues?

anneke · Queen of Egypt Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 9305

Styler78 · Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:23 pm Post subject:

Styler78 · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 6:25 pm Post subject:

Just to add to the information already discussed:

The Chapel Rouge was likely finished by Thutmose III and possibly even used by him. In "Karnak Evolution of a Temple", Elizabeth Bylth there is a suggestion he may have seen this as "his" monument. He is of course shown on the chapel performing rites, etc with Hatshepsut.

It is this suggestion which would allow the Chapel Rouge to have continued in a "complete" state in TIIIs time. At some point he comissioned his own chapel, which seems to have stood until the time of Philip Arrhidaeus, when the central shrine was remodelled for the last time.

IF the Chapel Rouge stood in the area TIII erected his own chapel- it would have been carefully dismantled in the time of TIII. If it was NOT intended as a central shrine, then it may have been around in the time of Amenhotep II or III.

I say carefully dismantled due to the condition of the blocks when discovered in the 3rd pylon of Karnak (built by Amenhotep III). They, along with the very many other monument fragments were "aparently put into the foundations with great care AND in a given order...." (BLYTH).

Also the condition of the blocks in the Chapelle Rouge is actually very good. It seems to have been dismantled and the blocks stacked in a holding area/ blockyard until they could be re-used.

Whether or not the Chapel Rouge was standing or not in the time of Amenhotep III, it would have been placed between the areas of the 4th pylon and the Middle Kingdom court. The building of the 3rd pylon ensured everything close by was swept away (including the works of Amenhotep III himself). The Chapel Rouge would have been gone by this stage.

No difinitive answer has been given to the final days of the Chapelle Rouge.

Stuart.
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