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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:53 pm    Post subject: Ramesses ? Reply with quote

Now I know that names and spellings are a matter of debate amongst Egyptologists due to there only being consonants used in hieroglyphs, but does anyone have thoughts on what the nomen of King Usermaatre-Setepenre was? I've seen him called Ramesses ll and Ramses ll. Personally I prefer the former, probably due to ingrained habit but could anyone able to translate hieroglyphs give an opinion on which is correct?

Sorry if this topic has already been covered, in which case just point me to the right thread and I'll take it from there.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no real way to establish one or the other as the "right" spelling in the Western European alphabet. Ya just gotta stay flexible (and, be consistent in your own usage, at least in the same chunk of writing). Same thing with calling the sun god Ra or Re (and boy, did that trip me up when I first got into the Egyptological literature... who's this Re chap, and what happened to Ra???)...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: Ramesses ? Reply with quote

A M Street wrote:
... the nomen of King Usermaatre-Setepenre ... I've seen him called Ramesses ll and Ramses ll. ...


Ra-msj-sw (mrj Jmn) = Ra-mes-su (merie Amun) = Ramessu (beloved of Amun). See Hannig, Großes Handwörterbuch Ägyptisch-Deutsch I, 2006, p. 1306.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the information.

I think that Ramesses would fit the original hieroglyphic spelling better than Ramses.

It's strange I never came across Ramses until quite recently, it just seems to be something that has caught on.

Not to my taste.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A M Street wrote:
... It's strange I never came across Ramses until quite recently, it just seems to be something that has caught on. ...

"Ramses" is in German speaking Egyptology since the beginning quite common and widespread.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A M Street wrote:
I think that Ramesses would fit the original hieroglyphic spelling better than Ramses.

Not necessarily; it just depends on which hieroglyphs are used in the cartouche you're looking at at the time. Pharaohs changed the "spelling" of their names quite often, so all interpretations are just as valid really. It's down to personal choice.
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