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Lutz
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meretseger wrote:
... What is interesting is that Tut has both the vulture and the cobra while the KV 55 jars had only a uraeus. ...

Amarna iconography. As far as I know there is no depiction of Akhenaton with vulture (the goddess Nechbet, mistress of the white crown and of Upper Egypt).

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kemetian wrote:
... The line drawing you reproduce here is in error over the sign mry. On the stela there is clearly a gap on the right hand half of the bottom line of this glyph which would not be there if it were mry. The sign for mry should be a complete oblong. The sign on the stela is the sound sign "H", it is reasonably clear on the image of the stela itself.

However, as a means of proving the truth of this without needing the image consider the word order. If it said beloved of akhenaten the mry sign would come before the akh sign not after it. ...

No. The order of the signs is correct and corresponds to the tradition the god's name always preceded. Same with "mery waenra". The sun disk from "waenra" comes before the hoe for "mery".

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

quote lutz: No. The order of the signs is correct and corresponds to the tradition the god's name always preceded. Same with "mery waenra". The sun disk from "waenra" comes before the hoe for "mery".

Hi Lutz,

See here examples of mry before re in "beloved of waenre"









I have found one possible example of honorific transposing of the re but as you can see the bezel depicted next to it offers the possibility that the re in this bezel may be a "t" "ankhet" which was not recognised but we would need to stucdy the bezel to be sure.



Apologies for the quality of some of these images they are difficult to find but if you open them up they should hopefully illustrate my point.

Do you have any further images of the re preceding the mry ?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lutz wrote:
Meretseger wrote:
Lutz wrote:
Meretseger wrote:
Well they had no problem cutting uraei over the depictions of Kiya at Maru Aten in order to convert it for Merytaten.

And what has this to do with what we discuss here?

Lutz


The point is modifying existing objects and/or reliefs to suit a new owner was not unknown or as prohibitive as you seem to think.

Has someone challenged this somewhere?

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I thought you did. Apparently not. Idea
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lutz wrote:
Meretseger wrote:
... What is interesting is that Tut has both the vulture and the cobra while the KV 55 jars had only a uraeus. ...

Amarna iconography. As far as I know there is no depiction of Akhenaton with vulture (the goddess Nechbet, mistress of the white crown and of Upper Egypt).

Lutz


Ah. That explains it then.
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