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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:51 pm    Post subject: High Priest of the Daughter of Re Reply with quote

I was looking at some titles of dignitaries and came across a text of an inscription of the Vizier Khay (Ramesses II).
One of his titles was High Priest of the Daughter of Re.
I was a bit surprised to see such a vague reference to a Goddess.
Would that have been Hathor? Sekhmet? Another deity?

Did the title maybe read High Priest of Sitre, and refer to Queen Sitre? Dealing with a possible funerary monument? But I have never heard of any priesthood associated with Queen Sitre, so goddess after all?

The title appears on a statue from Karnak (GCG 42165).
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:37 am    Post subject: Re: High Priest of the Daughter of Re Reply with quote

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... Vizier Khay (Ramesses II). One of his titles was High Priest of the Daughter of Re. I was a bit surprised to see such a vague reference to a Goddess. Would that have been Hathor? Sekhmet? Another deity? ...

The title ("t3j.tj s3b hm ntr tpj s3.t Ra, Khay", on the back pillar of Cairo CG 42165) identifies him as vizier. The vizier is the first prophet of the goddess Maat, the daughter of Ra.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that explanation Lutz. I had wondered about that, but I was a bit surprised that other Viziers were said to be HP of Maat and there was no mention of the daughter of Re (for as far as I could tell) in the other titles.
But what you said makes more sense than anything else I could come up with Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Daughter of Ra" is known as epiteton for Maat and Anukis. So, theoretically it could take also advise to the goddess Anukis. To judge this, however, one would have to know more about the functions of Khay, if there is a connection to the temple on Elephantine or Sehel for example.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The statue was found at Karnak, so I think that Maat is the goddess referred to.

Interesting to see the similar epithet for Anukis. But she is much more a "Southern Belle" wasn't she Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anneke wrote:
The statue was found at Karnak, so I think that Maat is the goddess referred to. ...

The title orgies on these statues from Karnak do not have first priority to the temple of Amun. This is more likely to document the rank of the statue owner.

Although we primarily know Anuket from Elephantine and Sehel, where she forms a triade with Satet and Khnum from the MK on, she also appeared sporadically in other places. For example, shown in the Speos of Horemheb at Gebel el-Silsila as the king nursing mother deity. The Speos was among early Ramessids a place for the cult for king Horemheb and the gods of the Nile and its flood. The sed-feasts of Ramses II were announced here by inscriptions. Perhaps the title will also make reference to this? But actually these items are already linked to a particular temple. With the exception of the First Prophet of Maat, which is directly related to an office, the vizier.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have looked at the inscription itself again. The passage in question is:



"t3j.tj s3b, hm ntr tpj, s3.t Ra"

"Vizier, first servant of the god[dess], the daughter of Ra"

I think that makes sense (Aset?) and my first guess was right. No Anuket, there are also no evidence for Khay from the Aswan area are available (see Christine Raedler : Die Wesire Ramses' II. - Netzwerke der Macht. - In: Das ägyptische Königtum im Spannungsfeld zwischen Innen- und Aussenpolitik im 2. Jahrtausend v. Chr. - Königtum, Staat und Gesellschaft früher Hochkulturen 1. - Wiesbaden : Harrassowitz, 2004. - pp. 277 - 416. - [The viziers of Ramesses II - Power of Networks. - In: The Egyptian kingship in the tension between internal and external policies of the 2nd Millennium BC - Kingship, government and society of early civilizations 1]).

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for digging that up (pun intended) Smile

I did not know that "Vizier" was written like that.
Always good to learn something new!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anneke wrote:
... Always good to learn something new!

That is the reason I am doing this type of research, unless a subject interests me personally ("The journey is the destination").

Lutz

P.S.: The evidence of the case would be found, among others and when needed, at Hannig-Lexica 1. - 2006. - p. 985-6.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lutz wrote:
I have looked at the inscription itself again. The passage in question is:



"t3j.tj s3b, hm ntr tpj, s3.t Ra"

"Vizier, first servant of the god[dess], the daughter of Ra"


Hannig has it "sAb tAity" [Oberrichter] or the role of the vizier as Chief Magistrate, one of his duties. The next is "high priest" but I do not know who the "daughter of Ra" is. Can it be Maat, the goddess of the court?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the entry in Hannig I am talking about:



With view on the original inscription with "Daughter of Ra" it can only be meant Maat.

Greetings, Lutz.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lutz wrote:
I have looked at the inscription itself again. The passage in question is:



"t3j.tj s3b, hm ntr tpj, s3.t Ra"

"Vizier, first servant of the god[dess], the daughter of Ra"

I think that makes sense (Aset?)...
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Vizier (and) high priest of "Daughter-of-Re"

tA.tj-zAb-TA.tj - Vizier (one of the curtain, judiciary official and vizier)
Hm-nTr-tAp.j - high priest; prophet
sA.t-Ra - Daughter of Re (epithet of goddess(es): Maat, Sakhmet, Tefnut, Nut, Hathor...)

(Source: TLA)
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