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Proof For A Longer Coregency ?

 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:52 pm    Post subject: Proof For A Longer Coregency ? Reply with quote

Via EEF-List ... Press Release Ministry of Antiquities (06.02.2014) :
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"The Minister of Antiquities, Dr. Mohammed Ibrahim declared the discovery of architectural remains (of walls and columns) in the tomb of the Vizier Amen-Hotep Huy No. 28 in Asasif Area - Luxor. Some of these remains carry scenes showing both Amenhotep III and Amenhotep IV (father and son) in the same space, and one following the other. The remains also show hieroglyphic inscriptions of the names of both kings beside each other.

The importance of this discovery, Dr. Ibrahim says, is that it presents the definitive evidence of the co regency between Amenhotep III and Amenhotep IV because it dates exactly at the beginning of the first Heb-Sed of Amenhotep III, in the 30th year of his reign.

Dr. Francisco j. Martin, the Field and Scientific Director of the Spanish Mission working in the Asasif Project said that the project started in 2009 with a study and examination of the architectural elements of the tomb and managed to discover a number of ceramic and structural findings that are now being graphically recorded."

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To say this is exciting is an understatement. In conjunction with the other examples of a long co-regency it really does make the whole Amarna interlude even more curious.

For example, assuming that Amenhotep IV's first regnal year matches that of his father's 30th, as the tomb suggests, then those depictions of Amenhotep III at Amarna may show him alive. This also means that Amenhotep III as well as Tiye were complicit in the Amarna revolution.

I find it interesting that the Aten name change happens around year 8 or 9 of Amenhotep IV; can it be a coincidence that it is in year 8 or 9 that Amenhotep III dies (his regnal year 38/9)?

http://egyptianaemporium.wordpress.com/2014/02/06/news-new-evidence-for-amenhotep-iii-and-akhenaten-amenhotep-iv-coregency-found-in-asasif/
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Further reading on this topic, highly recommended:

Amenhotep III and Akhenaten: An Examination of the Coregency Issues by Leslie E. Bailey
A year-two research paper submitted to the Faculty of the Department of Near Eastern Languages
and Civilizations of the University of Chicago, March 2000.

The paper gives an overview of the materials that have been used pro or contra a coregency between Amenhotep III and IV.

Leslie Bailey has a B.A. in History, William Paterson College, May 1997, and a M.A. in Egyptology, University of Chicago, June 2000.

http://www.egiptomania.com/EEF/EEFLibrary1.html
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

karnsculpture wrote:
To say this is exciting is an understatement. In conjunction with the other examples of a long co-regency it really does make the whole Amarna interlude even more curious.

For example, assuming that Amenhotep IV's first regnal year matches that of his father's 30th, as the tomb suggests, then those depictions of Amenhotep III at Amarna may show him alive. This also means that Amenhotep III as well as Tiye were complicit in the Amarna revolution.

I find it interesting that the Aten name change happens around year 8 or 9 of Amenhotep IV; can it be a coincidence that it is in year 8 or 9 that Amenhotep III dies (his regnal year 38/9)?

http://egyptianaemporium.wordpress.com/2014/02/06/news-new-evidence-for-amenhotep-iii-and-akhenaten-amenhotep-iv-coregency-found-in-asasif/


Sorry, Karn, but the images on the site don't show the cartouches of Amenhotep III and Akhenaten next to one another at all.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aayko Eyma (Moderator of the EEF List) likes to point out that the wording in the Egyptian press release (as is unfortunately often; translation problem from Arabic original?) is a little missleading. There are no pictures of the kings in proseccion, one falling the other. In the chapel of TT 28 are four pillars with inscriptions of the two kings, two pillars for each king (alone). The two kings are at opposite sides of the aisle and only two meters apart.

"... This closeness in space, and the notion that work within the chapel was halted around the year 30 of Amenhotep III, makes the team think they have proof for the coregency."

Spanish reports : Proyecto Visir Amen-Hotep Huy

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Spanish version of the press release gives a map of the tomb chapel with the location of the columns.

It would be interesting to know what exactly makes the Spanish mission think that the end of the work at the tomb was done in / around Year 30 of Amenhotep III... Maybe someone can read Spanish here?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lutz wrote:
The Spanish version of the press release gives a map of the tomb chapel with the location of the columns.

It would be interesting to know what exactly makes the Spanish mission think that the end of the work at the tomb was done in / around Year 30 of Amenhotep III... Maybe someone can read Spanish here?


From what I can tell, it isn't so clear on that PDF document what makes this mission believe the entire tomb is dedicated to Year 30 and the first heb sed of Amenhotep III. It does say that Amenhotep-Huy was the vizier between years 30 and 35 of that king. And then.....

"este descubrimiento puede representar segun creemos, la pruebe definitiva de la coregencia entre AIII y AIV dado que estamos en presencia de documentos datados exactamente al comienza del primer heb sed de AIII"

which means "this finding may represent our second belief, the ultimate test of a coregency between AIII and AIV since we are dealing with documents dated exactly to the start of the first heb sed of AII"

I saw nothing more precise or explanatory than that--and, really, the Spanish are not going to publish the tomb in that document.
[I also saw what look to me like a couple of lapses in Egyptian transliteration.]

Well, that's it. Until I see something more, I am not going to abandon the possibility that the names of Amenhotep IV can't have been added some other time previous to Year 35.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In MDAIK 39. - 1983 are two articels about this tomb:

Diethelm Eigner : Das Thebanische Grab des Amenhotep, Wesir von Unterägypten - Die Architektur. - pp. 39 - 50

Andrew Gordon [with a short Note by D. Eigner] : The Tomb of the Vizier Amenhotep at Thebes. - pp. 71 - 80.

The tomb is located in the immediate vicinity of TT 192 - Cheruef. It seems to have a similar plan, a little bigger. Diethelm Eigner (an architect) suspects that initially the building of TT 192 started and later on the building of No. 28 began:

"... The southern portico of the viziers court appears to have been cut after the longitudinal hall of Kheruef. ..." (Gordon, 1983, p. 78 )

I do not have the time to read the articels complete in the moment. But only from "over-looking" I have my doubts with "definitely"...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Facebook - Luxor Times - New discovery in Assasif tomb

With a contribution by Francisco José Valentín Martín, one of the excavators. First in Spanish below then also in English :
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"... ... 1. The context of the research, from the excavations carried out in the chapel of the vizier, indicates clearly the unit on the time of destruction of the decoration, probably carried out by order of the Royal House at time very close to the 30 year Amen-Hotep III. ..."

For me now comes the question how a destruction of the decoration in the tomb on behalf of the king / s around year 30 fits to the evidence of the inscription from the year 35 at Gebel el-Silsilah, with vizier Amenhotep still in office?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

F.J.M. Valentin / T. Bedman : Excavation in Tomb 28 at Asasif. - In: KMT 22-2. - 2011. - p. 42 - 53

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lutz :
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F.J.M. Valentin / T. Bedman : Excavation in Tomb 2 8 at Asasif. - In: KMT 22-2. - 2011. - p. 42 - 53


Thanks Lutz for posting the KMT article Wink !



Archaeological Research in the Valley of the Kings and Ancient Thebes: Papers Presented in Honor of Richard H. Wilkinson (Wilkinson Egyptology Series) 2013
The Tomb of the Vizier Amenhotep-Huy in Asasif : Preliminary Results of the Excavation Seasons 2009-2012
Francisco J. Martin Valentin and Teresa Bedman
Institute of studies of Ancient Egypt, Madrid



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Rozette that you pointed me to my own library, the "Festschrift Wilkinson" is here in one of my shelfs ... embarrassing. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there somebody from Madrid (Spain) here in this forum? If, I would be very interested in and thankful for a report from this event...

EEF-News (816) wrote:
Instituto de Estudios del Antiguo Egipto

* "El visir que se enfrentó a Aj-en-aton - Los últimos
descubrimientos de la Misión Arqueológica Española
en Luxor (Egipto)
", by Dr Francisco Martín Valentín
date: Thursday, 3 April 2014; 19:30
[new] place: Centro Cultural Antonio Machado, c/ San Román
del Valle, 8, 28037 Madrid
info: <antiguoegipto@ieae.es>

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