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anneke
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I find it hard to believe they would "borrow" from their immediate ancestors.
I think it's more likely that some royals decide to have new sets made after maybe the style changes.
I'm wondering if these were made in the early reign of Akhenaten, and Akh didn't like them near the end of the reign, so they were free to be recycles for others.
Also just brainstorming here 
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| Quote: | So, you think the gold was scraped off by the officials and reused for later royal burials?
The gold has been removed very carefully. It shows none of the signs of destruction of some of the other coffins that were clearly looted by robbers. |
Yes I do think that the priests and officials took off whatever gold might have been left after the robberies, because they also went through the trouble of re-painting the eyes, bracelets and the crook and flail, as well as adding a replacement uraeus to the brow.
I have some more on the possible re-use of Tut's second coffin but I have to find an image or two before I go on with it.
And thanks for the compliment on the avatar, Anneke (I tried for mysterious, but I guess stern of OK too  )
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Raia
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| Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| This is off topic, but by the way Nejemib I love your avatar |
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Segereh
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That's not off topic yet...
Come on, Raia, u can do better. 
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Raia
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:27 am Post subject: |
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How can I make this section even more off-topic...hmm  |
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Segereh
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Sit down and listen, the rules are easy.
Either you start sweet-talking someone.
Or you just say the first thing in your head.
Like "peaches are nice".
Cherries as well actually.
Were there any cherries in Egypt?
Seriously?
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anneke
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| Segereh wrote: | Sit down and listen, the rules are easy.
Either you start sweet-talking someone.
Or you just say the first thing in your head.
Like "peaches are nice".
Cherries as well actually.
Were there any cherries in Egypt?
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A lesson from our grand-master 
 What, no tomb inscriptions showing people spitting cherry pits at each other during a banquet???
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Segereh
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| anneke wrote: | | A lesson from our grand-master |
Only the basics.
It takes some exercise...
| annie wrote: | | What, no tomb inscriptions showing people spitting cherry pits at each other during a banquet??? |
If this is what you think of by "eating cherries" I'd consider myself lucky never to sit on the same table as you... 
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Segereh
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Apple (tebekh), olive (djet) and pomegranate trees were apparently brought to Egypt during the reign of the Hyksos. Mulberry trees reached Egypt from Armenia or Persia before or during the New Kingdom. Pears, peaches, almonds and cherries were not introduced until the Roman period whereas figs, grapes and the not very tasty sycamore figs were known from early times. Even coconuts were known, but only as an imported luxury fruit affordable to the rich.
Cute to hear they knew apples already. Apparently in the tomb of 19th dynasty official Userhat the deceased is depicted with his wife Shepset and mother Tausert, seated under a fig tree while the tree goddess serves them water, bread, figs and apples. This scene by the way is also the earliest known Egyptian artwork with shading...
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Segereh
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They're not exactly spitting at each other...
The white shapes are these apples - not exactly Jonagolds...
There seems to be something that looks like corn actually.
Under the pomegranate and on top of the apples.
That's pretty weird, could it be something else?
Gotto love the two ba-birds by the way.
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| Raia wrote: | | How can I make this section even more off-topic...hmm |
Did I answer your question? 
I just hope Isi is reading this...
Not really under the right topic. 
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anneke
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I think the piece you describe as resembling corn is just a piece of fruit cut open.
Did you notice btw that the woman offering the fruit is wearing a red dress in the close-up and a blue dress in the overall view? Wardrobe change?
Is it typical to have a male and female ba-bird? Or are these just the bas of the couple?
You mentioned the apple not looking like a "jonagold". There has been a lot of hybridizing done on apples. When I went to school at the Botanical Garden in Amsterdam, they let us taste some "more natural" apples (what the ones in nature would have been like). They tasted totally different from what we have now, and they have a different texture as well (closer to that of a pear.) Wonder what these apples would have been like?
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Segereh
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| anneke wrote: | | I think the piece you describe as resembling corn is just a piece of fruit cut open. |
Hm yeah, good thinking.
| annie wrote: | | Did you notice btw that the woman offering the fruit is wearing a red dress in the close-up and a blue dress in the overall view? Wardrobe change? |
Hadn't noticed.
The damage to the right is less as well.
Probably a case of lighting? Weird though.
| annie wrote: | | Is it typical to have a male and female ba-bird? Or are these just the bas of the couple? |
Just the ba's of the couple, the tomb was probably made for both.
Not an uncommon practice so it seems, but hard to state with facts.
Being left without sarcophagi.
| annie wrote: | | You mentioned the apple not looking like a "jonagold". There has been a lot of hybridizing done on apples. When I went to school at the Botanical Garden in Amsterdam, they let us taste some "more natural" apples (what the ones in nature would have been like). They tasted totally different from what we have now, and they have a different texture as well (closer to that of a pear.) Wonder what these apples would have been like? |
Cool, didn't know that.
"Evolved pears" hey?
Never liked pears, glad they hybridized.
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Raia
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| How interesting...you can still go off topic, yet still tie it into ancient egypt |
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Segereh
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Hèhè... That's experience for ya.
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