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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:23 am    Post subject: Read these hieroglyphs and help me identify this god Reply with quote



Hi all! I'd love to identify the unusual god in the above photo on Flickr. The photographer has got a great shot, but as you can see, it doesn't include the names of the god or the pharaoh offering incense. (In fact, I don't even know which temple it's in!)

What would really be a big help is if someone here is able to read some of the hieroglyphs. I've done a couple of basic courses, but this is well beyond my knowledge.

Here's the link for the original, much larger version of the photo:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/junior_kimbrough/6181997106/sizes/o/in/photostream/

Many thanks!
- Kate

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. Leonine head, but other than that, looks like Min (complete with post-ancient censorship of the phallus). It's too bad the photographer didn't capture the glyphs over and beside that image; that's where the name usually is.

I'm thinking some aspect of Amun, perhaps a Nubian variety?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. Leonine head, but other than that, looks like Min (complete with post-ancient censorship of the phallus). It's too bad the photographer didn't capture the glyphs over and beside that image; that's where the name usually is.

I'm thinking some aspect of Amun, perhaps a Nubian variety?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Sekhmet in her unusual ithyphallic form.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robson wrote:
Is Sekhmet in her unusual ithyphallic form.

I do not think so. The inscription between king and deity seems to refer to a male deity: "Make the incense (offer) for this, his father (or a name?). He makes (it), (so to) be given life."

In addition, the ityphallic Sekhmet does not carry (as far as I known) the crown of Min-Amun with the band reaching down to the ground on the back. She is usually represented (at Karnak) with a sun disk, encircled by an uraeus, on her head.

The presentation comes with a very high probability from Greco-Roman times. Here also male deitys can have this kind of lion head, primarily the sun and creator deities. In the top line to the right of the two cartouche I see a city determinative (Gardiner O 49). It may immediately stand behind Gardiner O 28. If so, the city name is "Iunw" (Heliopolis) or maybe "Iunw schemau" (Sothern Heliopolis ---> Thebes).

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have looked at the other photos of "junior_kimbrough" on Flickr. The photo is obviously one of a group of recordings made ​​in the Temple of Horus in Edfu.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a lion-headed Min from the Temple of Horus in Edfu (XIII / 256). See Bertha Porter / Rosalind L. B. Moss : Topographical Bibliography of Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphic Texts, Reliefs, and Paintings / 6 - Upper Egypt : Chief Temples (excluding Thebes) Abydos, Dendera, Esna, Edfu, Kôm Ombo, and Philae. - Oxford : Clarendon, 1939 [Griffith Inst., 1991]. - XIX, 264 p., page 149 - 150 & plan p. 130 :



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TOTAL AND UTTER SCREAMING

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Can't thank you enough, Lutz! A long-standing mystery solved.

In for a penny, in for a pound. Here are the out-of-shot hieroglyphs accompanying Min, from de Rougé:



These being Ptolemaic hieroglyphs, I quake in my boots at the sight of them, but that looks like Min's name on a standard right after the opening "quotation mark". pharaohthumb
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: Read these hieroglyphs and help me identify this god Reply with quote

dwellerinthelibrary wrote:
The photographer has got a great shot, but as you can see, it doesn't include the names of the god or the pharaoh offering incense. (In fact, I don't even know which temple it's in!)


Another Arrow PHOTO

- Temple of Horus at Edfu

- Name of the god: Min (Mn.w): 5th column from the left: Dd mdw jn Mn.w... = Words spoken by Min...

- Name of the King: Ptolemy IV. Philopator, see the cartouches:
right:
nsw-bj.tj nb-tA.wy (jwa.w-n-nTr.wy-mnx.wy stp-ptH wsr-kA-Ra sxm-anx-Jmn)|
left:
nb xa.w (Ptolmys anx Dt mr As.t)|

The inscription in front of the King is a caption:
jr(.t) snTr n jt=f jr=f dj-anx

@Lutz: jr(.t) snTr n jt=f - Making incens for his father

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aset - thank you so much! Marvellous to see my mystery god in his context (and look at all the other wonderful photos in the same album). Thanks especially for the translations!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the southerly location of this image, and the late date, is is possible the lion headed Min might be influenced by Nubian representations of Apademek?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of curiosity, why the god Apedemak is still called that way knowing the particle -mak means god. That means saying god Apedemak is "God gog Apede".
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Medjay Archer wrote:
... knowing the particle -mak means god. ...

Knows / says who?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lutz wrote:
Medjay Archer wrote:
... knowing the particle -mak means god. ...

Knows / says who?



No, Lutz, it's not my petty person who assumed that.
It is from Claude Rilly.
See the beginning of the page 103.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Medjay Archer wrote:
Lutz wrote:
Medjay Archer wrote:
... knowing the particle -mak means god. ...

Knows / says who?

No, Lutz, it's not my petty person who assumed that. ...

Had I said that? I'm just basically always looking for sources. Stupid habit ...
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