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 Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: UFO and Ancient Egypt |
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First of all, this is the infamous "Nakken" photograph, which has been Photoshopped, so this is not how the glyphs actually appear.
Now to the explanation: this is an ancient Egyptian palimpsest, and quite a deliberate and intentional one. One has to recall that the grouping of symbols is a set method of quadranting for individual words. When one has limited space for a "rewrite," which in this case is very intentional, then the revised title must also fit with both the rule of word quadranting and the space provided. If you understood the nature of hieroglyphic writing, you would know that the "squaring" of word symbols within written Egyptian is standard and is seen all the way back to predynastic-early dynastic writing.
Here, the Seti I original epithet is a variant of /wHm mswt sxm-xpS dr-pDt-9/ (being a Two Ladies' epithetical title, No. N1a in von Beckerath's work on king's names and epithets) (von Beckerath 1999 <1984>: 151).
Ramses II replaced part of this epithet with a variant of his own, /mk-Kmt waf.-xaswt...grg tAwy/ which is part of his Two Ladies' epithetical title (neing No. N2 in von Beckerath's work (von Beckerath 1999 <1984>: 153). In the case of the overlaying palimpsest, only /mk-Kmt waf.-xaswt/ is the significant part.
If you will note, the Ramses II set of hieroglyphs overlays the Seti I set, and when the partial plaster falls away, it appears to look like the "helicopter", but this is only a trick of the eye to seem that way because that is how we interpret the shapes now.
OTOH, to someone actually trained in hieroglyphs, it is the combinations of the two signs, T10 (a compound bow) and the D43 (arm with a fly whisk). The first sign comprises Seti I's "Two Ladies" name which states "Who repulses the Nine Bows." This is then overlaid with to Two Ladies titulary of his son, Ramses II, which states "Who protects Egypt and overthrows the foreign countries."
Black = Seti's full Two Ladies epithetical name, and Red = Rameses II's overlaying Two Ladies epithetical variant. While elongated spacing of certain glyphs give more of the impression of the helicopter, for instance, in the Nakken photo, the objects which appear as an "airplane" and "submarine" can be detected in the overlaying glyph example above. With some of the plaster that once covered Seti I's titulary now fallen away, certain of the superimposed signs do indeed look like a submarine, etc., but it's merely one set of glyphs overlaying another set.
A similar explanation, by Lumir Janku, can be read here: Abydos Hieroglyph does NOT depict a Helicopter
The Temple of Seti I at Abydos is replete with titles of Seti I AND Ramses II because Ramses completed the temple after the death of his father, and plastered his name alongside that of his father's in a show of braggadocio. Ramses II admits as much in the First Hypostyle Hall, which he says of the completion of the Temple, above :
"I had them inscribed with the name of my father, and with my own great name, because the son is like his father."
This temple is part of my dissertation, so I've seen these glyphs a thousand times. I'm always amazed at anyone who tends to think they are anything but overlaid glyphs. It's quite evident to me in this case.
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Katherine Griffis-Greenberg
Doctoral Candidate
Oriental Institute
Oriental Studies
Doctoral Programme [Egyptology]
Oxford University
Oxford, United Kingdom
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