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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reconstructing a Stele Reply with quote

Do you think it would be possible to reconstruct the damaged hieroglyphs of this stele with the help a publication photo, or is it too damaged? --- http://www.clevelandart.org/art/1914.669
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This stela (Cleveland, Museum of Art 1914.669) is published in...

Karl Jansen-Winkeln : Inschriften der Spätzeit - Teil II: Die 22. - 24. Dynastie. - Wiesbaden : Harrassowitz, 2007. - pp. 35 - 36, no. 12.48.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And also in ...

Lawrence M. Berman / Kenneth J. Bohač : Catalogue of Egyptian Art - The Cleveland Museum of Art. - New York : Hudson Hill Press, 1999. - ISBN : 0940717530. - XV, 584 p., portraits, map, 46 coloured figs [ills], 510 figs [ills]

on pp. 258 - 260, no.184.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arrow too damaged Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a shame. I was going to use it for a branch of Thelema. There doesn't seem to be many steles that are as high-quality as the stele of revealing. I am looking for one with Ma'at on it. I have only found two with Ma'at but they didn't suit what I was looking for.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@tsv

I think you request too for what the source can give. Indeed, several zones are so damaged there is nearly no traces left. Any reconstruction would either be pure speculation (which is always bad without strong reasons) or made by comparison of stereotypical formulae.

In extreme cases, that's how certain parts of the Meroitic language was translated by comparing "stiches" (a.k.a. formulaic elements with a recognizable structure) found in Meroitic to Ancient Egyptian.
Still, that remains reconstruction playing slightly in the field of speculation.

In short, you can't expect pure and well-proven reconstructions of completely defaced parts of any epigraphic sources unless proven to be a copy of an anterior work. A perfect copy on top of that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With friendly help from Michael Tilgner ... Karl Jansen-Winkeln : Inschriften der Spätzeit - Teil II. - 2007. - pp. 35 - 36 :



With help from my scanner ... Catalogue of Egyptian Art - The Cleveland Museum of Art. - 1999. - pp. 258 - 260 :





A look into...

Miriam Lichtheim : Maat in Egyptian Autobiographies and Related Studies. - Freiburg / Göttingen : Universitätsverlag / Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, 1992. - [Orbis Biblicus et Orientalis 120]. - 211 p., pl., English summary). - ISBN : 3-7278-0846-2 / 3-525-53754-9 :

AEB 92.0313 :
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"This book continues the work of the author on autobiographical texts (see AEB 91/1.0117). It consists of five studies, of which the title study has by far the greatest length.

1. "Ma'at in Egyptian autobiographies" (9-101). The author collects, paraphrases and comments on texts, mostly autobiographical ones, in chronological sequence, in which the Egyptians declare and define their doing and thinking of Ma'at - in modern terms their ethics and morality. She starts with basic recognitions on account of O.K. texts (Nos. 1-10). It is concluded that man did Ma'at because it was "good" and because "the god desires it." It was the principle of right order by which the gods lived, and which men recognized as needful on earth and incumbent upon them. In the autobiographical texts of the F.I.P. (Nos. 11-26), ranging from Dendera to Hatnub graffiti, mentions of Ma'at are rare. The self-presentations show that the basic meanings of Ma'at, i.e. right, truth and justice, were still valid. The range of actions defined as doing Ma'at was enlarge, and the ability to perform the works of Ma'at was now seen as grounded in the character. Section 3, entitled "Justice," is concerned with the M.K. It is divided into autobiographical stelae (Nos. 27-33), tomb inscriptions (Nos. 34-38 ) and didactic literature (Nos. 39-44). In section 4, on ethics and piety in XVIIIth Dynasty (including the Amarna Period) autobiographies (Nos. 45-67), the author points out that the appearance of gods is the major innovation in the representational scheme of private tombs and stelae and that in the texts the gods are invoked more directly and frequently than in the past. Detailed visions of a personal afterlife are now formulated. Section 5 is devoted to the Ramesside period, which is characterized by ethics and piety. The author distinguishes between the officials with the motto "How good to sit in the hand of Amun" (Nos. 68-78 ), the craftsmen ("A house filled with foods"; Nos. 79-80) and Late-Egyptian tales concerned with Ma'at ("Truth and Falsehood," and "The Contendings of Horus and Seth"). In section 6 the autobiography of the XXIInd and XXIIIrd Dynasty Theban clergy of Amun is characterized by the prayers for divine rewards in this life and in the next, prayers sturdily supported by declarations of right-doing, under the belief of "I know the god acts for the right-minded" (Nos. 81-91). The autobiography of the Late Period (Section 7; Nos. 92-99) shows that wisdom and piety were partners in the endeavour to formulate and teach the right kind of living. ..."


... could provide hints on similar stele.

I (& Google Translator) do not understand "use it for a branch of Thelema" but, if you just look for a stela with a representation of the winged goddess Maat protecting someone with her wings, see also...

Jac. J. Janssen : An Unusual Donation Stela of the Twentieth Dynasty. - In: The Journal of Egyptian Archaeology - JEA 49. - 1963. - pp 64 - 70, on page 65 :

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"[London, British Museum, BM 588 - Limestone stela of Hori] ... In the upper half we see on the left a man with shaven head, standing before the seated Ramesses IV (his names in cartouches in the centre). Behind the king stands the goddess Marat, Daughter of Re, Mistress of Heaven, enfolding the Pharaoh with her wings. ...

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