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Nicholas Reeves : The Burial of Nefertiti? (2015)
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hawass is convinced that KV55 s mummy is Akenaton. If the Amon had any say overy who was buried in the Valley, he would have been the forbidden one
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry everyone my tablet had a nervous breakdown for a minute
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ikon wrote:
In the article, Hawass again uses this phrase

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We should note that it is also very unlikely that the priests of Amun would have allowed Nefertiti to be buried in the Valley of the Kings.


He often says this but never gives a reason, or at least not one I have read. Why would the priests of Amun not allow her to buried in the Valley of the Kings?


Hawass also beleives the KV21b mummy is Nefertiti (see "Scanning the Pharaohs"). Not so unlikely after all, huh?
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, he really painted himself into a corner and it would be interesting to hear an explanation for this contradiction, but I'm not holding my breath in anticipation.....
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"Team hopes new scanner could help unlock ancient secrets in Egypt's Great Pyramid" (Chicago Tribune, 02.06.2016)
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"... A team accompanied by Egypt's former antiquities minister and famed archaeologist Zahi Hawass are testing a new scanner on the Great Pyramid of Giza on Thursday, hoping that modern technology could help unlock ancient secrets buried deep beneath the stone. ...

... Hawass has in the past downplayed the usefulness of scans on ancient sites, saying that they have never found anything important. He has clashed publicly with British Egyptologist Nicolas Reeves, whose theory that secret burial chambers could be hidden behind the walls of King Tutankhamun's tomb was both prompted and reinforced by scanning. ...

... But back in the field following his new appointment, Hawass seemed more reluctant to criticize scanning technologies. He said they could be useful if directed by the right hands — such as his. ..."

Is it really necessary to say more about the character of this man?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"He said they could be useful if directed by the right hands — such as his. ..."

L'etat, c'est moi. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just as discussion about the new American Patriot Trump can descend to the talk-level of Hitler, so it follows that discussion about Tut &Co descends to the talk-level of Hawass. Both, Hitler and Hawass have a knack of inserting themselves into issues, one by force of will, the other by force of history.

They distract, what is Reeves saying on the subject? When is the last time he spoke? It seems clear that Hawass wants to move-in and become the noted 'man of history' should something of substance be discovered. Would Reeves even mind? The truth will be written.

There again... there just might be nothing there. Nothing, no matter how you dress it up, is still... Nothing.

The game at the moment is one of CONFIDENCE. How confident does Reeves remain? What are his current thoughts on what might be behind the plaster image of Aye performing the opening of the mouth on Tut, or is that a reworked image of Nefertiti?!

Maybe, now is not the time. Politically, our world and nations are wobbly, maybe the 'powers that be' have decided that we should wait before inviting increased travel and an influx of tourists to Egypt.

One thing is for sure, whoever is running the show needs good PR representation. There's a whole world of followers around the globe who have had their fancy tickled and it is only right that they be informed of current status, circumstances and activities.

Who wants to interview Reeves?

Lutz, that means you! Laughing
You do an excellent job btw.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe of some interest for those living in California ...

"International Archaeology Day Extended with Dr. Waziri & Mr. Masekh"

Bowers Museum, 2002 North Main Street, Santa Ana, CA 92706
October 23, 2016 2:00 pm - 4:00 pm :

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"... "New Digs in the Valley of the Kings"

Presented by Dr. Mostafa Waziri, General Director of Antiquities in Luxor

In this presentation, Dr. Mostafa Waziri will discuss why despite what has been written in history by Egyptologists before him, he believes there are more discoveries to be found in the Valley of the Kings. He will share his findings of his dig near the tomb of Tutankhamun, which he began five years ago, in addition to discussing the history of excavations in the Valley of the Kings and the most recent discovery made nearby, where he believes the tomb of Nefertiti would be discovered.

Dr. Mustafa Waziri currently serves as General Director of Antiquities in Luxor, overseeing safety, conservation, and restoration of the sites, including the tombs in the Valley of the Kings. Dr. Waziri holds his Ph. D. in History and Antiquities from the Egyptian Sohag University. ..."


"Egyptian Archaeologists Dig Up Mounds of Ancient Treasures" (Digital Journal - Santa Ana, CA - October 6, 2016)

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the EEF-List...

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"In ITV's programme there is an interview with Hawass. It suggests that MoA will be doing ground radar scans in the VoK, hoping to find missing royal tombs ("this coming November we hope that we can locate one tomb and make a big discovery like the discovery of the tomb of Tutankhamun"), and that new radar scans will be done inside KV62, using a new Russian scan ("We are going to use also inside the tomb of Tutankhamun a new radar, it’s a Russian radar, and that Russian radar will make the final word
if the tomb of Nefertiti existed inside the tomb of Tutankhamun
or not"). (Aayko Eyma)"

"Could Queen Nefertiti's grave be concealed behind the walls of King Tutankhamen’s tomb?" (From "This Morning" on ITV - 17.10.2016)

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There seems to be news on the subject ...

" Da Torino a Luxor alla ricerca di Nefertiti " (La Stampa - Fabrizio Assandri, 07.02.2017)

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"From Turin to Luxor - Searching for Nefertiti"

Is she really buried behind a wall of the tomb of Tutankhamen? The answer will come from a team of the Politecnico di Torino which Egypt has entrusted the geophysical mapping of the Valley of the Kings.

... Franco Porcelli, Professor of Physics at the Technical University, who has worked as a scientific officer at the Italian embassy in Cairo from 2007 to 2015. He also participated in the recent discovery of one of the other mysteries of Tutankhamun: an Italy-Egypt team showed that the blade of the dagger buried with the mummy was made of material from a meteorite.

The new investigation will put an end to the discussion started after the hypothesis of Reeves. "The analyzes have given contradictory and incomplete results. Positive or negative, we will close a complex issue" says Porcelli. It could be the discovery of the century or the disappointment.

"Security issues and the case Regeni have put even the scientific collaborations in crisis," says the professor, "but the Ministry of Antiquities asked us in December, to give a final verdict on the tomb of Nefertiti. We will use the latest generation of radar: a hole in the wall would damage the frescoes." ...

... The search for the tomb of Nefertiti is part of a much broader project: geophysical mapping of the entire Valley of the Kings in Luxor.

Electrical and electromagnetic waves instrumentation allow non-invasive analysis: "We can" see "up to ten meters underground," explains Porcelli, "The current mapping dates back to the 80's, made with antiquated technology." The new atlas will provide data on the geological composition and the presence of ferrous materials and archaeological remains in the necropolis, as well as 3D surveys and geo-referenced data: techniques used for the recent earthquakes in central Italy. "We'll try to have the Italian Space Agency satellite data, also to help." ...

... The two scientific analysis followed the hypothesis of Reeves gave contradictory results for now. The first, the results of which were communicated emphatically by the Egyptian government, dating back to 2015: the Japanese specialist Hirokatsu Watanabe radar claimed to have found rooms behind the wall, and the Egyptian government, eager to bring the tourists back in the Valley of Kings, said that "90 per cent" had been discovered a new tomb. The following year, experts of National Geographic disproved. The dispute has also become a political case.

"We have reason to believe," Porcelli said, "that the data has been interpreted in an imaginative way. It needs a solid research project. We will use ground penetrating radar that cover the entire spectrum of frequencies. We will have the data in a work week, they will be used to study in two weeks. We are waiting for permission of the Egyptian National Security, then we leave."

The partial translation was made with Google - Translator. Maybe someone speaks Italian and can deliver a better one?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hawass on Facebook (01.02.2017) :
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... And in a few weeks from now, we'll be starting a project to scan the Valley of the Kings – we know that many tombs are missing, such as the tombs of Amenhotep I, Tuthmosis II, Ramesses VIII, and of all the Dynasty 18 queens who were buried in the Valley of the Kings. ...

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" Is There a Secret Chamber in King Tut's Tomb? A Final Hunt Will Investigate " (Seeker - Discovery Communications, 09.02.2017)

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... "It will be a rigorous scientific work and will last several days, if not weeks," Franco Porcelli, the project's director and a professor of physics at the department of applied science and technology of the Polytechnic University in Turin, told Seeker. "Three radar systems will be used and frequencies from 200 Mhz to 2 GHz will be covered." ...

... Ground-penetrating radar, together with instruments based on electric resistance tomography and magnetic induction, will scan depths of up to 32 feet to provide information on existing underground structures. ...

... The researchers plan to carry out the first preliminary survey of King Tut's tomb by the end of this month. ...

... "This will be the final investigation," Porcelli said. "We will provide an answer which is 99 percent definitive."

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" Possible 'Hidden Chamber' in King Tut's Tomb Invites More Secretive Scans " (Live Science - Owen Jarus, 16.02.2017)

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... Then, in May 2016, a National Geographic team conducted another set of ground-penetrating radar scans.Those scans showed no hidden chambers in King Tut's tomb. However, the National Geographic Society has barred members of that team from talking publicly about their research, said Dean Goodman, one of the leaders of the National Geographic team.

The team signed a nondisclosure agreement with the society, which can't be waived unless the Egyptian antiquities ministry approves, a spokesperson for the society explained.

While Goodman cannot speak publicly about his team's results, he expressed confidence in the Turin team, saying he knows several of its members well. The "King Tut research is in good hands," he told Live Science.

Lawrence Conyers, an anthropology professor at the University of Denver who is a leading expert in the use of ground-penetrating radar in archaeology, has criticized the decision of Egyptian authorities to withhold data. He told Live Science that he thinks it is a good idea for the Turin team to do additional scans, but that he hopes Egyptian authorities will allow researchers to access the data, which he said they did not do previously.

"Perhaps this time they will release the data to the GPR community and do a 'peer review' instead of holding it all secret and just releasing 'results' that have no basis in actual data!" wrote Conyers in an email, noting that the National Geographic team data has never been released to scientists.

"I was not privy to the National Geographic dataset, and for some reason they would not let others look at it," he said.

Conyers added that there is no way that archaeologists with expertise in ground-penetrating radar, who are not affiliated with the research, will ever support the idea of a hidden chamber or tomb in Tutankhamun's tomb unless the Egyptian authorities allow scientific data to be released for full scrutiny.

"There is going to be no consensus by anyone knowledgeable on the subject until they do more than hold press conferences," he said.

Other scientists, speaking to Live Science on condition of anonymity, have expressed similar concerns, noting that scientists who have data suggesting no such hidden chamber exists have been barred from speaking publicly. Those who advocate for the hidden tomb's existence have more freedom to talk to the media and write about their findings, these scientists have said. ...

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So now there is a Pro-Chamber coalition and an Anti-Chamber Coalition division, but at times more knowledge comes from disagreement than lockstep agreement?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope they can find out something definite one way or the other...it would be nice if this issue could be solved once and for all. I would of course be thrilled if a new chamber were discovered.
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