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Two Female Pharaoh`s Before Tutankhamun?
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 9:02 pm    Post subject: succession rules Reply with quote

Yes Achnaten changed a lot when it came to religion but the succession rules were clear. The Pharaoh was generally a man (a few exceptions of female rulers underline the fact that the throne was inherited by men).
A son from the ruling Pharaoh born from a match with a sister-wife had double royal blood. Yes she was not the Great Royal Wife but she wasn't a play thing from the Harem either.
Pharaohs were succeeded by their son, if possible the oldest surviving son of the Great Royal Wife, if not was available by one of the lesser wives or harem ladies.
We know Nefertiti did not have a son, Kiya also only had a given the pharaoh a daughter. We do not know of any other sons Achnaten may have fathered.

So for that son of a high standing wife not to succeed there must have been a very good reason. Age never had been an issue. It provided either the Great Royal Wife or some faction in the court to rule for as long as the young monarch wasn't able to do so himself.

That means that neither birth, nor age could have disqualified Tut from succeeding his supposed father (im still not certain it was Achnaten), one thing that might have made people hesitate could have been an obvious physical disability. That is the only argument i can think of that stood a chance for Achnaten not to be succeeded by what the archeologist considers to be his son but by no less than two of his halfsisters/sisters-in-law.

Women did not succeed to the throne they married at best the heir or were the power behind the throne. Hatshepsut's reign had been long forgotten by the time Achnaten's reign drew to a close. People from Western societies are too used to female queens. In Egypt having a female monarch is just as odd as a woman becoming Pope today or becoming the monarch of Saudi Arabia. It requires a very peculiar set of exceptional circumstances for people even to think about it, let alone for it to happen.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

" Was King Tut a fraud? New evidence points to a female pharaoh who ruled before him " (Harald Sun - Jamie Seidel, News Corp Australia Network, 12.05.2019)
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 1:54 pm    Post subject: Re: succession rules Reply with quote

Thieuke wrote:
... but the succession rules were clear. ...

Was that so? Or do we just believe that? Personally, I do not know any ancient Egyptian source that reports about "rules" for it.

Thieuke wrote:
... The Pharaoh was generally a man (a few exceptions of female rulers underline the fact that the throne was inherited by men). ...

Manetho reports, that under King Binothris (Ni-netjer, 2nd Dynasty, 3rd Ruler) "it was decided that women could hold the royal office" ...
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:11 pm    Post subject: female pharaoh Reply with quote

Lutz im apparantly not making the point clear that im trying to make.
What i try to bring across is that IF Achnaten was succeeded by two of his daughters and not his son i don't believe the argument given as that Neferneferuaten the younger was too young to be married and produce heirs. She was older than Tut so in the painted scenario it would have been smarter for Achnaten to marry Meritaten and Anchesenpaaton himself giving him double options off producing more offspring while marrying his two youngest remaining children to each other. By the time Tut was old enough to father children Neferneferuaten would have been old enough to conceive.

So why would the pairing have gone otherwise?

That's when the stories about club feet and physical deformaties came in. If both Tut and Anchesenpaaton were to a certain level disabled that might have been the reason pushing Achnaten in another direction and preparing his two healthy daughters (Meritaten and Neferneferuaten Tashjerit) for the throne.

I do stand by my point that women only ascended the throne under very unique circumstances. Amenhotep III himself was a child and not from a Great Royal wife or Royal sister-wife when he succeeded his father. That example was know as were others. So for Achnaten or those left after his death to not go for the son but for one or two daughters must have meant there was compelling reason. My suggestion is that that reason may have had something to do with the young man's health.
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