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Ancient Egypt's legacy to modern society?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is the progress of art, paper, some aspects of math, modern calender.

Anneke,

The Library of Alexandria was a Hellenistic invention not Egyptian, spread by Greek influence from Alexander the Great's conquest.

Kevin, writing in the form we use today in English is based on Phonecian (spelling? A little late here so not on my top game). The Sumerians invented writing most likely spread to Egypt and so forth and so on.

Isis, December 25 was not birthday of Horus but a fertile worship day of a Persian god, not sure of his name.

Yes, Imhotep was a priest/engineer/physician/scholar/math genius in his rite.

Cross was not a holy symbol until the death of Christ. It was a simple tool of execution for the Romans, it was simple and practical.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hatshepsu wrote:
isisinacrisis wrote:
I haven't heard of the word of creation in Egyptian myth, the way i heard the universe was created according to Egyptian myth will not be mentioned here, for obvious reasons... Wink


what do you mean cant be mentioned? i dont think anything should not not be mentioned.. well because its history and i think none of us are in grade 2 *teehee* .. so go ahead.. say what you mean.. personally i dont know.


Well...this forum is PG-13 is it?
it concerns the creation of the universe by Ra/Atum. The best way to describe how he brought about the universe without offending anyone is...'big bang' Laughing I'll leave the rest to your imagination...lol
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you're saying the Scorpion King invented hieroglyphics? What, the scorpion king from the movie? LOL I'm pretty sure it was the Sumerians who invented writing, then the Egyptians invented their hieroglyphs after that...



Yes, and when people say Imhotep they actually mean the promiscous priest that was cursed by some chants in that big metal Book of the Dead to rise up and borrow people's eyes and skin in the early 20th century Smile
King Scorpion was a real person, although (correct me if I'm wrong) I don't think he ever used the Army of Anubis to sack his enemies and become a giant bug...
I don't think they're saying that he invented writing himself - though I guess he could have. A few possibilities as I understand them are:
-Someone in his time/under his supervision invented writing
-King Scorpion ordered the creation of writing when he saw other cultures using it, thinking it was useful/wanting to compete
-King Scorpion ordered the creation of writing for a specific purpose, like keeping records

I only saw the tail end of that documentary on Discovery Civilisation, I didn't realise they were arguing that Scorpian actually invented the first writing system, I thought it was just the first writing system for Egypt.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that the Egyptians were the first to discover that the year had 365 days by observing the heliacal rise of Sirius and the way it coincided with the nile floods, but it true that the 24 hours of the day were also invented by the Egyptians?
Because I'm pretty sure 24 hours was a Sumerian invention, but I saw this programme ages ago that said that the Egyptians did it first, by monitoring the rising times of 24 bright stars that marked hours. Sounds all well and good, but the presenter kept saying the wrong things and many of the 'facts' in that programme were flawed-at times I was shouting the right facts at the TV screen LOL So i remain sceptical about this claim for now...

I read somewhere that in maths, the 3-4-5 triangle, usually credited to Pythagoras forming the basis of his theorem, is actually Egyptian! And also that the Egyptians discovered Pi and the golden section (and even incorporating it into their pyramids) waaaaay before the greeks discovered them! I have a very old maths book that says the Egyptians used trigonometry to build pyramids too. Is all this true?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I read somewhere that in maths, the 3-4-5 triangle, usually credited to Pythagoras forming the basis of his theorem, is actually Egyptian! And also that the Egyptians discovered Pi and the golden section (and even incorporating it into their pyramids) waaaaay before the greeks discovered them! I have a very old maths book that says the Egyptians used trigonometry to build pyramids too. Is all this true?


I was just talking to one of my colleagues, she's teaching history of mathematics. She said that the Egyptians used some fraction (I don't remember what it was) to approximate Pi. They did definitely know that there was this constant related to the circle which is important.
The golden ratio is evident in the great pyramid.

A lot of their math was rather ad hoc. They had tables of values for fractions, but there is no real pattern, and no indication how they computed them (for as far as I know).

I have a book about the history of math at home. I'll look it up....
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Library of Alexandria was a Hellenistic invention not Egyptian, spread by Greek influence from Alexander the Great's conquest.


The library was founded by Ptolemy II Soter, so doesn't that make it Egyptian?

I know that the Ptolemies were descendants of Alexander the Great's General Ptolemy, and hence the ruling house was Hellenistic.

Technical question: Is the Ptolemaic period considered a Hellenistic period or Egyption period? Or just a Hellenistic period in Egyptian history?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pardon me isisinacrisis.. but perhaps i am still stupid:).. but i seriously dont know what you mean by the Atum and Ra creation story bout the big bang.. and .. perhaps lets say if this IS a pg 13 forum.. what difference would it make? theres no pornography.. sorry but its like sheidling the childs eyes away from a very famous special painting of our past because the womans clothing isnt what you wear now .. historical sex in a myth isnt really a hush hush sort of thing but i am SERIOUSLY oblivious to what your saying. im not very strong in the creation myths
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you dont want to say it someone refer me to a site.. i might know it but the way your referring to it isnt making sense to me.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I consider it to be Egyptian, though I don't know what the majority of academics think. I know some consider the Ptolemaic period to be the end of Egyptian culture, and simply lump it all into the Macedonian period catagory. And then some call it the last Egyptian dynasty before Roman rule.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for double-posting (no edit feature that's obvious to me), but I just did a quick search and http://www.egyptologyonline.com/ has the Ptolemaic period listed at the end of the other periods of Egypt. I reckon a major website like that may reflect the view of a majority of academics, yes?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had always counted the Ptolemies as Egyptian.
With that in mind the Library of Alexandria was definitely Egyptian. It was THE center for learning, and specifically for mathematics.

All the great greek mathematicians: Euclid, Erastosthenes, Diophantes etc were either lecturers or students at the library of Alexandria.

The first known female mathematician: Hypatia was also living and working in Alexandria. Sadly enough she was also murdered there by a mob.....

I also found mention in a math history book of mine that the oldest calendar was Egyptian, the oldest known depiction of tax-collectors (12th dynasty) is Egyptian, and there are several important papyri dealing with math (The Rhind papyrus, and I think the other one was the Ahmes papyrus)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harking back to the hours of the day post earlier. I also have read that was an Egyptian creation: 12 hours of the night, 12 hours for the day, fits in with their ideas of balance.
The 3 main religions of the world: Islam, Christain and Jewish have their roots in Egyptian religion. The ankh was aften worn as a sacred protective amulet, the various crosses worn in other religions are decendants of this ancient powerful symbol.
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