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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I looked around on the web it said her egyptian name was Qb-hwt. I guess that's where the name of Kebhut comes from.

A snake headed goddess associated with embalming.

On wikipedia it says that Kebhut is the deification of embalming liquid, her name meaning cooling water. Such liquid was seen as the child of Anubis, in the area where Kebechet was considered to exist, and consequently Kebechet (Kebhut) was seen as his daughter.

I thought that explanation was rather interesting because it refers to her being the child of Anubis in the sense that her ritual menaing was derived from or associated with Anubis. This was then interpreted as a parent-child relationship.
Also explains why no mother is mentioned? Very Happy

Apparently Kabechet / Kebhut was not really worshipped as a goddess, but was one of the deities mentioned in many hymns and passages in the book of the dead.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When I looked around on the web it said her egyptian name was Qb-hwt. I guess that's where the name of Kebhut comes from.


Hmm, yes. I stumbled across this too. Qb-hwt, I am sure, was her Egyptian name.
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A snake headed goddess associated with embalming.


My sister said she had a vision that she wore a golden crown with a snake on it, or cobra, serpent, a long white/golden skirt, short black hair, and the upper body naked. I guess it's got something to do with the "snake headed goddess".. Then again.. I've seen many Egyptian Pharaohs and other nobles wearing these kind of crowns with a snake head in the middle.
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On wikipedia it says that Kebhut is the deification of embalming liquid, her name meaning cooling water. Such liquid was seen as the child of Anubis, in the area where Kebechet was considered to exist, and consequently Kebechet (Kebhut) was seen as his daughter.

I thought that explanation was rather interesting because it refers to her being the child of Anubis in the sense that her ritual menaing was derived from or associated with Anubis. This was then interpreted as a parent-child relationship.
Also explains why no mother is mentioned? Very Happy

Apparently Kabechet / Kebhut was not really worshipped as a goddess, but was one of the deities mentioned in many hymns and passages in the book of the dead.


Yeah.. that might be it. But, I personally still think she was daughter of Anubis. The question about who's the mother.. well, I guess that'll stay anonymous then. Who knows. *shrugs*
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... a golden crown with a snake on it, or cobra, serpent


The only people who ever wore a uraeus were royalty.

There are some cases where it is clear that the cobra was later added to the images: for instance Horemheb in his temple-tomb at Saqqara and Viceroy Messuy in an inscription in Upper Egypt. This actually means that these men went from nobility to pharaoh at some point.

Kings and Queens wear the uraeus, others do not.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only people who ever wore a uraeus were royalty.

There are some cases where it is clear that the cobra was later added to the images: for instance Horemheb in his temple-tomb at Saqqara and Viceroy Messuy in an inscription in Upper Egypt. This actually means that these men went from nobility to pharaoh at some point.

Kings and Queens wear the uraeus, others do not.


Oh.. so.. I guess she belonged to the royalty then.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh.. so.. I guess she belonged to the royalty then.


Well, wouldn't that make you royalty too, then? Very Happy

Go ahead, where that uraeus with pride!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, wouldn't that make you royalty too, then? Very Happy
Go ahead, where that uraeus with pride!


Not if the sister married into the royal family Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, Egypt had its share of pretenders. Why not? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That wouldn't really make her a pretender, would it?

I was thinking something analogous to Diana Spencer becoming a royal after her marriage.

Some of the Queens of Egypt were of non-royal birth. Tiye for example, Nefertiti was most likely non-royal. Must be many more....
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Some of the Queens of Egypt were of non-royal birth. Tiye for example, Nefertiti was most likely non-royal. Must be many more....


Might Nefertari be another? I believe her origins are not clear. Some believe she was from nobility, and she had a brother who was the mayor of Thebes when she was queen. I'm not sure who her parents were.
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There is supposedly a statue of Bakenkhonsu on which he claims to be the father of Nefertari? And yes, I have heard too that she is related to what is referred to as the "Amenemopet clan".

There's a possibility that these people were related to the Yuya, Aye, etc family from Akhmin.
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That I didn't know. That would make her origin one of possibly high nobility but not royalty, right? It seems quite a few big players came from Akhmim, particularly in the New Kingdom.

So, are you playing hooky today, anneke? My boss is away at conference and I haven't seen a customer here at our shop for the last 45 minutes. I'm bored out of my skull and am sitting here in my chair slowly mummifying. Thank goodness for ED--it's keeping me awake. I'd be fast asleep now, otherwise. #Sleep
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Some of the evidence for the link to Akhmin is highly circumstancial.
But they did find an object with Aye's name on it in her tomb Smile
I have to look at all the information again, but yes, I think there are some strong indications that this was a very well connected family. It's sometimes hard to track these thing throughout the generations.


I worked a bit this morning, but spent some time this afternoon with friends who just came back from a long trip. Smile
Hmmm. It's late enough now that I suspect you to be on your way home.
Don't mummify any further! Shocked And definitely not behind the wheel.
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LOL Fear not. I'm just about ready to close up for the weekend. TGIF! And luckily one of the other employees is coming in tomorrow to run things. I had no intention to be here on a Saturday, anyway. Very Happy

Hopefully I'll survive my usually brutal commute home, at which time I'll log back on to see what's happening at ED.

See you then!
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kmt_sesh wrote:

He's also an expert in Egyptian religion and teaches courses in that, but unfortunately I've yet to have the opportunity to sign up for one of those.


Hey kmt-sesh,
Does he do on-line classes when he teaches? I've been searching for some on-line Egyptology classes.

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Does he do on-line classes when he teaches? I've been searching for some on-line Egyptology classes.


No, he doesn't. Mudloff is retired now and teaches private courses and classes at museums like ours. He also leads numerous trips to Egypt, but no on-line classes.

I don't know of such a thing, to tell you the truth. However, occasionally I get these packages in the mail that offer courses on CD and/or DVD, and ancient Egypt is among them; the material recorded includes stuff taught by the likes of Bob Brier, so it is probably fairly decent. It's been awhile since I've seen one of these mailings, though.
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