Egyptian Dreams

Steve · Scribe Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 248 Location: Canada

I saw this show the other night on the top ten archaeological discoveries of all time (Tut came in first by the way) In at number 8 was a merchant ship dating to the bronze age (a verrrrrry long time ago) but onboard where trade items from all over and the ship was found In Greece if I belive correctly and the ship was Canaite or macedonian. Now this proved that the ancients where trading literatley all around Africa, the middle east, and Europe as early as the bronze age! Now I was thinking how far did Egyptian trade routes actualy go? Im starting to think that its not so imposible to belive they may have traded with India, Africa, and maybe even China! Lets hear what you all think
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Steve · Scribe Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 248 Location: Canada

I found a site with some info on it if anyone wants to read it it is a lot of reading thoug

hhttp://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/trade/index.html
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isisinacrisis · Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 8:50 am Post subject:

The link's broken...

The egyptians did trade with the Middle Eastern civilisations such as the babylonians etc, and the Greeks, but surely not India and China? I haven't heard of Egyptian artefacts being found in those places...

Kevin · Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 12:43 pm Post subject:

Correct address is http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/trade/index.html
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Steve · Scribe Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 248 Location: Canada

thanx Kev I dont think its that imposible that they traded that far just because no Egyptian artifacts where found in these places dosent mean they dident trade. Egyptians liked incense and spices and would go great lengths to get them! And India still makes a lot of money today of these things!
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Thoth · Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:51 pm Post subject:

Yeah, India's always been trading 'exotic' items with the rest of the world. That's why Europe took so much interest in it in the Imperial Age. Had to start somewhere... though I think it would be later dynasties, I can't imagine it being too early.
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Steve · Scribe Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 248 Location: Canada

but thats just it that discovery I was talking about sudjests that the ancients where trading by sea thousands of miles away from home port as early as the bronze age!
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isisinacrisis · Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 11:26 pm Post subject:

The article says they traded with Africa, and up to Persia. Persia's not far from India...nothing on China though...

isisinacrisis · Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 11:27 pm Post subject:

Oh, and another thing...where's Punt?

Thoth · Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 11:47 pm Post subject:

Dunno where Punt is, actually; all my Google searches came up with foreign languages I can't read and something about Holland. If taking control of Nubia opened up a land route to it though, I'd assume it's South of Egypt, in Africa somewhere.

I suppose it's possible that Asians came to Egypt, they're described often enough. Though I don't know whether the Egyptians went to Asia, at least not that far.
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Steve · Scribe Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 248 Location: Canada

ancient Somalia near Ethipoia
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anneke · Queen of Egypt Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 9305

Here's a reference to Punt:
http://www.ethiopianhistory.com/pre-aksum/punt.html

There are some interesting reliefs in Hatshepsut's temple at Deir-el Bahari depicting the land of Punt. This includes houses on stilts.
I do believe that the Queen of Punt visited Hatshepsut. There is a relief depicting her anyway.

I did look at google, and there are a lot of dutch sites. "Punt" means "point" or "dot" in Dutch. I was born and raised in the Netherlands and Dutch is my native language, and these hits have nothing to do with the land of Punt. I just thought I would check. Very Happy

(So we're not missing anything there.)

Thoth · Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 12:54 am Post subject:

Heh, thanks for the clarification Steve & Anneke
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Sesen · Vizier Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 1048 Location: Luxor

That earlier topic on trade with China just reminded me of something I have read recently but cant remember exactly what - my memory is so embarrassing. Rolling Eyes

I had'nt previously thought that the Egyptians had contact as far away as China untill I read this. I'm reading half a dozen different books at the moment I'll try and track down the right one

Hatshepsu · Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 3:16 pm Post subject:

didnt Hatshepsut make some sort of.. trip thing to punt.. an expidetion thing.. i dont think she went.. but didnt she make some sort of route somewhere.. hmm.. ok well um. i was reading this book.. and well in the ma ppthey had ( it was a fiction book yes.. but she does her reascher so i do think there would be a reason) and .. they had places called Rethennu ( or something like that) and the Hykos were called the Setui .. and there was Wawat and Kush ( of course some are known to us) and Asi and Keftia (remember my spelling sucks) .. and a few other places... I am very intrugied by the Kamose and Ahmose peeps.. and well.. where was Ahmose's capital after he defeated the Setui.. maybe this isnt the right board to post.. but SO MANY QUESTIONS!