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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:55 pm    Post subject: Mummy of Ankhesen...? Reply with quote

I found this image of a mummy a while ago and for the life of me I can't remember where Shocked



I do remember that this burned coffin had the partial name Ankhesen... on it.

I don't know where it was found or from what period it dates, although I thought it was New Kingdom.

Does it look familiar to any of you?

It made me wonder at the time if the name could have been Ankhesenamen, but if there was a coffin found that even partially mentioned a name like hers, then it would have surely been all over the literature?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried to manipulate the picture a bit to see if any more detail could be revealed:


It just seems to show a mummiform coffin with a woman with her hands crossed over her chest. I can't really tell what kind of decorations (if any) would have been on the coffin.

LOL rishi pattern would be nice, but I don't see it...

Maybe some of you will have better luck manipulating the image?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:17 am    Post subject: Re: Mummy of Ankhesen...? Reply with quote

anneke wrote:
Does it look familiar to any of you?

OMG! Mom!!!!!!!!!!!

anneke wrote:
Maybe some of you will have better luck manipulating the image?

Larger, better detail enhancement without the color distortion:



"Golf is a good walk spoiled" (Twain)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: Mummy of Ankhesen...? Reply with quote

VBadJuJu wrote:

OMG! Mom!!!!!!!!!!!


LOL So you're the famous 3000 year old man?


Your image is nice, but still hard to make out any details.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe this will help:

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:12 am    Post subject: Re: Mummy of Ankhesen...? Reply with quote

anneke wrote:
Your image is nice...


If I had a nickel for every time....
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL The missing mummy on the milk carton is great Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We definitely need to find out more about it.
As far as I know Ankhesenamun literally disappears after Tut.

Some say she gets killed. Others suspect she plays a Cleopatra on herself. My favorite is that she moves to Ugarit and marries Niqmed II. There's an Amarna princess on a shard of wedding vase. Anybody have any other suggestions as to who that princess was? What about theories as to her whereabouts?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anneke,

Interesting coffin. Very Happy

A while ago I saw on a site the mask of a coffin. This beautiful east african ebony mask from an unknow coffin bears clearly the trades of the Amarna Period. This mask is on display in the Egyptian museum in Cairo.
What do you think of this face ? I find that there is a resemblance with some of the heads of Nefertiti.

http://www.angelfire.com/nf/Egyptmuseum/page4.html
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL hmm I wonder who it could be?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xman wrote:
My favorite is that she moves to Ugarit and marries Niqmed II. There's an Amarna princess on a shard of wedding vase. Anybody have any other suggestions as to who that princess was? What about theories as to her whereabouts?


We had a discussion about this vase from Ugarit a while ago:
http://forum.egyptiandreams.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=293

I'm not sure people ever established just what time this vase dates to.

I have also read one conjecture which stated that this could have been an ugarit princess who was getting ready to marry the King of Egypt and was adjusting to the new "dress code" Very Happy

The egyptians seem to have been pretty adamant about not marrying their women off to foreign rulers at that time.

For as far as Ankhesenamen's fate goes, there's not much known about that. I have wondered where she would have been buried?

She survived at least into the reign of Aye, so my guess would be that she could have been buried anywhere in Saqqara (like Horemheb's Queen), the Queen's Valley (like some other royals from the 18th and 19th dynasty) or even the King's Valley?
On the other hand if they retired her to some estate, like the harem at Ghurob, then she could have been buried in some pit tomb in such a location.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The coffin doesnt really look like it belongs to a queen though does it... If it is from the new kingdom wouldn't you expect it to be a lot more 'Fancy?"
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if we even have examples of coffins belonging to queens of the latter part of the 18th dynasty. Or early 19th dynasty for that matter.

The coffin here seems to have been burned at some point? So not much detail is apparent. I can't tell if it would have been painted or even gilded.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...Looks a bit like Sitamun to me.

I believe that a number of sepat nomarchs migrated to Lower Nubia and Dakhla/Farafra during the late eighteenth dynasty. One group migrated from lower Nuba to present day Eritrea during the nineteenth dynasty where they remained until Piiankh returned and pushed the patriarchs back to wherever they came from. Im relating this in an effort to open the parameters of Egypt's borders during specific points in time.
The administrative centers of much of East Africa's coastal outposts were peopled largely by Egyptian founders. A heriditary princess is likely to have to fled from usurping despots. I wonder at times if the mass exodus of Hebrews ( and i do realize there were many such events that could collectively be told in a single myth) wasn't actually the Khepre people that vanished from Egypt during the 19th dynasty - the last of them hiding with the Satet chiefs on elephantine before purportedly Question migrating to Yemen.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maahes wrote:
A heriditary princess is likely to have to fled from usurping despots.


From the letters at the Hittite court it sounds like she would not have just accepted her position.
Would the new regime let her escape though? It seems to me that she would have been under some type of guard?

If I were Aye or Horemheb at this point I would have removed all of her trusted servants and advisors from her immediate vicinity and replaced them with my own people. But who knows what they ended up doing Very Happy

It's hard to say what would have happened. Would she try to escape?, would they try to exile her? would they try to keep her under lock and key?
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