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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hawass was offended that Rowe was displaying the coffin in his office, as though it were a conversation piece or a curio. I don't know where the coffin originated; I also read about the antiquities dealer, but from where did he get it? I've never heard from precisely where in Egypt the coffin came, and it's highly possible no one can answer that anymore. We have plenty of pieces in our exhibit whose precise origin is unknown, and the same is true with museums all over the world.

That's neither here nor there, though. Hawass made an ass out of himself that night at the podium, and lost respect from scholars and Egyptologists resident to Chicago. He was supposed to help us promote the new Tutankhamun exhibition and get the public excited about it, but once he launched himself on his tirade, that's all the media heard and, of course, printed.

On a side note, only a few of the hieroglyphs are legible and actually say anything; many parts of the inscriptions say nothing at all or contain blobs and shapes that aren't even hieroglyphs. Now that the coffin is on display at the Field Museum, more than a few people who are knowledgeable on the subject, have expressed concern that it is a fake. The poor hieroglyphs are only one thing.

But your story about Barbara Walters really surprised me. I didn't know about that. Some of the most beautiful coffins (in my opinion) come from the Third Intermediate Period, and the thought of dressing it like some silly Christmas ornament really galls me. Yes indeed, where is Hawass on that one? Mad
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, I've always said that he acts like the last three letters of his surname! Laughing
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Now, now, isisinacrisis, best be careful. Who knows if Zahi peruses all of the Egypt chat boards? He might ban you from Egypt...and then you and JoAnn Fletcher can be buds. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a way, I kind of see where Hawass is coming from. I hope I don't get attacked for this, but I tend to agree that we should treat Egypts artifacts with respect. What is "respect"? I guess it depends on who you ask, but, to me, it's surely not puting a coffin in your office. I tend to think that's a very disrespectful way to treat something. If all this stuff was dug up for the prosperity of man's history, then it should be on display, not a trophy on someone's wall. And that whole Barbara Walters thing just makes me angry! Mad I bet that the person buried in it is just bursting with joy that their prized possession is in the hands of a washed up geriatric newscaster the uses it to amuse her guests. Rolling Eyes

The coffin looks fake anyway. If it's not, then it's a really cheap Greek version. I don't think that one would of made it through Egyptian quality control.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kmt_sesh wrote:
Now, now, isisinacrisis, best be careful. Who knows if Zahi peruses all of the Egypt chat boards? He might ban you from Egypt...and then you and JoAnn Fletcher can be buds. Very Happy


Oh noooooo!

I'll shut up now about ZH just in case he's lurking here. Wink No one's going to spoil my dreams of going to Egypt...

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What is "respect"? I guess it depends on who you ask, but, to me, it's surely not puting a coffin in your office. I tend to think that's a very disrespectful way to treat something. If all this stuff was dug up for the prosperity of man's history, then it should be on display, not a trophy on someone's wall. And that whole Barbara Walters thing just makes me angry!


I do agree with treating Egyptian artefacts with respect though-that thing about the Xmas decorated mummy was pretty dire. The poor mummy would be spinning in his sarcophagus, but maybe not as much as the one in the uuuuugly coffin (if it's genuine, that is! I'm also thinking that it's a fake as well, ewww.)
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In a way, I kind of see where Hawass is coming from. I hope I don't get attacked for this, but I tend to agree that we should treat Egypts artifacts with respect.


I don't see anything wrong with your position. I don't at all mind that Hawass is fighting to have certain things returned to Egypt, however unlikely it will ever be to happen, and I certainly don't argue that antiquities should be treated with respect. However, the forum at which he chose to go on a rant is my point. Doing so at our press preview, where he was supposed to promote the new Tut exhibition, was very inappropriate. Hawass seems to have a hard time thinking before speaking and knowing where and when it's appropriate to speak.

But I will say I personally don't have a problem with someone privately owning Egyptian antiquities, so long as those artifacts would not be considered of extreme historical and/or artistic value to the heritage of modern-day Egypt. I'm talking the likes of the Rosetta Stone or the famous bust of Nefertiti. A coffin or ushabti or stela is another matter, so long as the private owner sees to it that it is properly conserved and protected.

I'm probably alone in this, but this is how I feel about it. However, I can see why Hawass was displeased with Rowe's keeping it in his office; that's not an appropriate place for an antiquity. It's how Hawass chose to bring up the issue that has many people seriously miffed at him.

And I couldn't agree more about Barbara Walters. That is a serious breach of respect. And she is a vivid example of a person who has no business owning any artifact of antiquity. Mad

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The coffin looks fake anyway. If it's not, then it's a really cheap Greek version. I don't think that one would of made it through Egyptian quality control.


If it is real, I'm certain myself that it did belong to a Greek man who wanted to be interred in Egyptian fashion; there is ample precedent for this from the Ptolemaic and Roman periods.

But I wouldn't be the least surprised if it is a fake. As anneke joked, it looks like something from the Luxor casino in Vegas. My friend Bob at the Field Museum likes to vacation in Vegas and has been to that casino; I mentioned anneke's spin on it and he couldn't agree more. I told Bob that the next time he hits the Luxor casino, to look for an empty spot where a boxy ugly coffin might fit. Laughing
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