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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 1:37 pm    Post subject: Khepesh Sword Reply with quote

Because I'm writing an "Egypt Supplement" for an historical RPG, I'd like to know if someone could help me to describe the uses and special abilities of the Khepesh sword. I know it was the sword some gods (Horus among them) used in battle.
I know it was a scimitar-like weapon but I thought it had another remarkable feature, I'm not sure though.

Thanks for the help!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i went on to the googles web site and found alot of info maybe you should try it. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Touregypt is always the first place I look for information on Egypt.
There is a page about weapons, and it mentions the Kehpesh Sword in passing.
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/edgedweapons.htm

I don't know how much detail you need, and the description of the other weapons might be useful for you too.

Another site describes the sword as follows:
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The New Kingdom saw improvements to standard weaponry as well as the addition of new weapons such as the khepesh (a sickle sword similar to Asiatic curved swords), which temple scenes show being presented to the king by the gods with a promise of victory.


From
http://ancientempires.neopages.net/egyptmilitary2.html

The Khepesh Sword seems to be an attribute of the god Nefertem.

From http://www.virtual-egyptian-museum.org/Collection/FullVisit/Collection.FullVisit-JFR.html?../Content/MET.XL.00855.html&0

we have the following depiction of nefertem with a Khepesh Sword in his right hand:



Beyond that I'm afraid you will have to "ggogle it" yourself. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were able to type better it would have said:

Beyond that I'm afraid you will have to "google it" yourself. Confused

Oh well....
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Queen Tyie wrote:
i went on to the googles web site and found alot of info maybe you should try it. Rolling Eyes


I think you don't have to turn those eyes like that!! I've also been to that website but I didn't exactly found what I have been looking for! Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anneke wrote:
If I were able to type better it would have said:

Beyond that I'm afraid you will have to "google it" yourself. Confused

Oh well....


Thanks, Anneke, for your kind replies, and in fact there was some link that was indeed useful!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think you don't have to turn those eyes like that!! I've also been to that website but I didn't exactly found what I have been looking for! Shocked


if i offended u im sorry, i meant that i felt kinda dumb because i felt that i dint give u much help. Embarassed Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yves Van Herp wrote:

Thanks, Anneke, for your kind replies, and in fact there was some link that was indeed useful!


You're welcome Smile

Have you looked at Breasted's text "Ancient Records of Egypt"? They are translations of actual inscriptions (but maybe you already know that).
There's something nice about getting it straight "from the horses mouth".

There are electronic versions of his book to be found here:
http://www.cwru.edu/UL/preserve/Etana/Etana.html

In Volume III there are descriptions of the Battle of Kadesh. I have to admit that I haven't read that part (I usually skim past the warfare part Wink ). So I hope I'm not sending you on a wild goose chase here, but it might be worth looking at.

There might be some info there that would be of interest.
There are inscription relating to the battle field.
I also vaguely remember seeing an article about the weapons used on the battle field (I think it was in the Journal KMT).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Queen Tyie wrote:
Yves Van Herp wrote:

I think you don't have to turn those eyes like that!! I've also been to that website but I didn't exactly found what I have been looking for! Shocked


if i offended u im sorry, i meant that i felt kinda dumb because i felt that i dint give u much help. Embarassed Crying or Very sad


No offence taken, my Queen. Wink And every little help is welcome! Maybe I overreacted a little bit, sorry to you too!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anneke wrote:
Yves Van Herp wrote:

Thanks, Anneke, for your kind replies, and in fact there was some link that was indeed useful!


You're welcome Smile

Have you looked at Breasted's text "Ancient Records of Egypt"? They are translations of actual inscriptions (but maybe you already know that).
There's something nice about getting it straight "from the horses mouth".

There are electronic versions of his book to be found here:
http://www.cwru.edu/UL/preserve/Etana/Etana.html

In Volume III there are descriptions of the Battle of Kadesh. I have to admit that I haven't read that part (I usually skim past the warfare part Wink ). So I hope I'm not sending you on a wild goose chase here, but it might be worth looking at.

There might be some info there that would be of interest.
There are inscription relating to the battle field.
I also vaguely remember seeing an article about the weapons used on the battle field (I think it was in the Journal KMT).


Thanks again, Anneke. There are more useful articles on THAT site, and I can also read some German (to speak it however is yet another story), so it can be of much use.

Like tou said in your mail it would be fun to say something to you in Dutch on this messageboard: leuk om een Nederlandstalig iemand op deze site te vinden.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I meant "you" in the last sentence of my previous mail, not "tou"! Embarassed

Isn't there a possibility to correct mistakes in previous mails?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anneke wrote:
Yves Van Herp wrote:

Thanks, Anneke, for your kind replies, and in fact there was some link that was indeed useful!


You're welcome Smile

Have you looked at Breasted's text "Ancient Records of Egypt"? They are translations of actual inscriptions (but maybe you already know that).


Another question about this, is this the same Henry Breasted who founded the "Chicago House" in Cairo? Or am I totally wrong? I have some material from him on video (taken from National Geographic).
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Yves Van Herp wrote:

Thanks, Anneke, for your kind replies, and in fact there was some link that was indeed useful!


You're welcome Smile

Have you looked at Breasted's text "Ancient Records of Egypt"? They are translations of actual inscriptions (but maybe you already know that).


Another question about this, is this the same James Henry Breasted who founded the "Chicago House" in Cairo? Or am I totally wrong? I have some material from him on video (taken from National Geographic).
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Oops, wrong again. I wanted to add something to my previous mail. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi "Yves" Smile

Yeas I do think that the Henry Breasted is the one associated to the Cairo House. Those texts are a really interesting resource.

I found the article about the Battle of Kadesh. I summarized the info.

from: KMT, A Modern Journal of Ancient Egypt
Volume 14, Number 1, Spring 2003
Injuried in the battle of Kadesh, by Gonzalo M. Sanchez, MD

The article is an analysis of inscriptions from Luxor Temple, Ramesseum, and the Temple at Abu Simbel.
There are two different tableauxs, the camp tableaux and the battle tableaux.

In the camp tableaux a total of 63 Hittite charioteers are identified breaking into the egyptian camp. The Egyptians use close combat weapons , as well as some medium range weapons (the author lists: dagger, javelin, spear, mace, axe, stick).
Egyptian bows are a long range weapon and are shown being used at the perimeter of the camp.
Most injuries are inflicted to the upper part of the body, and the majority from the frontal direction.

The battle scene involves some 282 Hittite chariotry soldiers. Here soldiers are shown being trampled by Ramses II’s chariot, as well as dead Hittites under water (having drowned in the river Orontes).
The distribution of the injuried is consistent with Bow-and-arrow warfare.
Weapons shown include: arrows, javelin, khepesh sword, and dagger.


The article also delves into the types of injuries sustained.


About editing: Kevin (our "Supreme Leader" Cool ) is trying to put some software in place that would do a spellcheck. He does not want to give editing permission, because that could be abused. Supposedly people have changed their posts sufficiently on other boards to cause confusion.

[het is hier gelukkig een beetje warmer dan bij jullie. Laughing ]
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