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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 2:59 pm    Post subject: Book of the Dead Reply with quote

Is there such a book called the Book of the dead? If so does anyone know what is in it? Because it is supossly used in the 2 movies about Ancient Egypt. Question
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the movies are called:The Mummy and The Mummy's Return
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a book of the dead...mwahahahaha!!! Laughing
Yes it does exist-it's the Egyptian funeral text.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a copy from TourEgypt:
http://www.touregypt.net/bkofdead.htm

This is a translation of the Papyrus of Ani (ca 1240 BC)

Doesn't have anything to do with any book they talk about in the Mummy though Laughing

The book from the movie seems to refer to the book of magic by Thoth, as described in the stories about Setne-Khaemweset
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dead often took a papyrus to their tomb. This was seemingly meant to help them pass the tests in the afterlife.

Here's the weighing of the heart from Maihirpre's tomb (early 18th dyn.)


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http://www.geocities.com/royalmummies/Maihirpre/Maihirpre2.htm
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a good depiction:


This is from the following website:
http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptafterlife.html

The text describes the different trials:
1. the dead has to appear before a panel of 14 judges
2. the heart is weighed against the feather of truth

I have seen much more intricate descriptions of the trials in the afterlife, where many questions need to be answered and incantations need to be spoken at the right times.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't know the Mummy's 'book of the dead' was based on real Egyptian texts, I thought it was purely Hollywood fantasy like everything else in the movie...

The Book of the dead that I have also has lovely illustrations like the one posted above. I think the book contains the spells needed to pass through the underworld.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The existence of the book of thoth is made up by the Ancient Egyptians.
It doesn't actually exist, but they wrote stories about it. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the movie, it was called the Book of Amen Ra, I think.
Is it possible to post some links so I can find out more about this book of Thoth? It's the first I heard of it...
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 12:34 am    Post subject: Okay it's Real Reply with quote

Yes it is a real book there was Book of the gates, and sky, and other things too. They were found in pillars in i think Ramese tomb. The book of the dead has spell's that can be written on tombs, coffins, walls, papuryas, etc. Anything you would find in a tomb. So the spells in the book of the dead is to protect the decreased on their journey to the afterlife. You can by a copy of the translated book, at your local book store just go to Amazon and type: Book of the Dead

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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 2:51 pm    Post subject: book of magic Reply with quote

what are the stories about Setne-Khaemweset, what period are they from, or where can they be found? Likewise what is the Book of Thoth, the book of the dead was intended to help the deceased enter into the afterlife, but what was the book of Thoth for?
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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: book of magic Reply with quote

dandelions dont lie wrote:
what are the stories about Setne-Khaemweset, what period are they from, or where can they be found? Likewise what is the Book of Thoth, the book of the dead was intended to help the deceased enter into the afterlife, but what was the book of Thoth for?


Setne Chaemoease was originally Chaemwaset, favourite son of Ramesses II. The 'setne' refers to his role as a 'setem'-priest for the cult of Ptah at Memphis. He gave orders to restore various monuments from the Old Kingdom and was in his time already renouned as a powerful 'heqa', something we could call a wizard or mage. The stories on Setne Chaemoease originated in the Saïte period, down to the Graeco-Roman era, gloryfying the power of ancient Egyptian wisdom. Much like how the cult around Imhotep, architect for Djoser's pyramid, really began to florish in that time. This was a period of restauration, attempting to re-invent the high-days of Egyptian culture. The stories mostly tell the tale of Chaemwaset being a really smart and limitlessly powerful wise man, responsible and always looking out for the good of his country. His tales were so popular there was even a 'spin-off': the stories of his son Sioesir, fighting a very very bad Kushite mage.

The story on the book of Toth goes like this: Chaem goes to investigate the state of a Memphite burial ground and discovers the tomb of a certain Nanoefekiptah, buried there apart from his wife Ahoere and their son Merib. The ghost of Nanoe starts to tell his tale. How he was a simple scribe in service of the king, encountering one day a stranger who tells him about the book of Toth. Reading the first formula inscribed there would make man being able to control heaven, earth, water, underworld, mountains, sea and all living creatures. The second formula would make man encounter Re, god of sun, and live next to him. Nanoe went to search for the book, eventually even found it, but got tricked by the stranger. Nanoe was accused to have stolen the book from the stranger and the story ended up in Nanoe, Ahoere and Merib getting separated from each other. They all died and never were re-united. After hearing the sad story, Chaem goes out to search the graves of wife and son of Nanoe, finds them, reunites them and makes everybody really happy. He seals of their -now common- grave and keeps the book of Toth included, for it has brought Nanoe nothing but trouble and they both don't want anyone else to have all the misery Nanoe had to go through.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the paper back version of the book of the dead I got from Chapters

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Book of the Dead is also known as "the Book of Going Forth by Day".
It not only focusses on the afterlife though. It's moral contents also applied to the everyday life, maybe still applies to it, who knows. The statements in the Negative Confessions which were said by the deceased before the weighing of the heart implied a set of moral rules for daily life. The "I did not...." in those statements could easily be exchanged by "Thou shallt not....". The hope for a succesfull afterlife was based upon an morally examplerary existence.
Perhaps it was not only a set of rituals and spells to protect the soul on the journey to and through the afterlife, but also to guide the living through daily life, so that they would be able to reach the afterlife.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:30 pm    Post subject: Good Authors Reply with quote

For people who wish to read or study the Book of the Dead, I advise the author Dr. Raymond Faulkner. Books by E.A. Wallis Budge are nice reading but consist of quite a lot of translational errors.
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