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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bast wrote:
".t" is for female, not "et".
And some goddesses don't end with "et". "Mut", "Nut", "Tefnut".... It's the ".t" that counts, right?


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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:51 am    Post subject: Bastet is our god Reply with quote

Bastet is Rip Li and my god of choice, other than Jesus Christ, of course! Cool
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I call her Bastet and have done since I learnt of her existence.
but I did see on one website that her real name is Bast and that 'bastet' actually refers not to the goddess but to the kittens she suckles or the kittens at the feet of some Bast statues. I'm not sure if this is true or not.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to say that's true - always wondered about the reason for the mix-up myself - but it wouldn't make much sense unless it's a bastet, not plural. The kittens would have to be called bastoet in that case.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The person described the goddess and her kittens as 'Bast and her bastets'-now I don't think the Egyptians used 's' to denote plurals, did they?
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right.
Would have to become Bastoet (like the sound of it Smile )
Think we'll have to look for another explanation though Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2004 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really it's both Bast and Bastet. It's up to you what to call her. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2004 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had to look it up. It's Bast. Her name has the hieroglyph of a 'bas'-jar with the feminine ending of 't'. These jars were heavy perfume jars, often filled with expensive perfumes - so very valuable in Egypt, considering the Egyptian needs (with the hot weather) of makeup (don't mention the guards of nowadays), bathing, hygiene and (of course) perfume. Bast, by her name, seems to be related to perfumes in some way. Her son Nefertem, a solar god, was a god of perfumes and alchemy, which supports the theory.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HTH

Her name originally was Ubastet or something very close to that. You can find an article here :

http://xoomer.virgilio.it/francescoraf/hesyra/Bastet.htm

titled "An unpublished Early Dynastic inscription of the Goddess Bastet", authored by Francesco Raffaele.


In the 4th Dynasty, Her name is inscribed as 'Bastet' on the Nothern, Bastet Portal of Khafre's Valley Temple at Giza. )It's spelt there as : bas jar, loaf, loaf -- two T's! :)

There is still some discussion as to Her name's meaning - some favor 'She of the Ointment Jar', other favor 'She of Bast', and I know of at least one theory that states Her name uses the bas jar hieroglyph as a pun because it sounds like the root for 'to devour', making Jer name be 'The (female) Devouring One'.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you think about it?

The word "Bastet" is the most common mistranslation of Her name. Toward the beginning of the New Kingdom, the "-t" at the end of words began to vanish from the spoken language due to foreign influences. In an attempt to preserve the pronunciation of some of the words, scribes added an additional -t to stress that it should be pronounced. This is where we get the "double loafs" that spell out "Bastet". This was the scribes' way of telling the reader to pronounce the word as "Bast", and not "Bas", and it should not be taken to mean that Her name is pronounced "Bastet". [7]

Other Kemetic translations that have been categorized and miscategorized under Bast are:

Pasht - Probably a mis-spelling of Pakhet. This essay has more information.

Ubastet - The earliest form.

Pakhet (lit. "She Who Scratches", "She Who Rends") - Pakhet may or may not be another god altogether. At the very least, the two gods share many similarities. The famous Speos Artemidos--built by Queen Hatshepsut--is dedicated to Pakhet.

The word "Bastet" is the most common mistranslation of Her name. Toward the beginning of the New Kingdom, the "-t" at the end of words began to vanish from the spoken language due to foreign influences. In an attempt to preserve the pronunciation of some of the words, scribes added an additional -t to stress that it should be pronounced. This is where we get the "double loafs" that spell out "Bastet". This was the scribes' way of telling the reader to pronounce the word as "Bast", and not "Bas", and it should not be taken to mean that Her name is pronounced "Bastet". [7]

Other Kemetic translations that have been categorized and miscategorized under Bast are:

Pasht - Probably a mis-spelling of Pakhet. This essay has more information.

Ubastet - The earliest form.

Pakhet (lit. "She Who Scratches", "She Who Rends") - Pakhet may or may not be another god altogether. At the very least, the two gods share many similarities. The famous Speos Artemidos--built by Queen Hatshepsut--is dedicated to Pakhet.

The word "Bastet" is the most common mistranslation of Her name. Toward the beginning of the New Kingdom, the "-t" at the end of words began to vanish from the spoken language due to foreign influences. In an attempt to preserve the pronunciation of some of the words, scribes added an additional -t to stress that it should be pronounced. This is where we get the "double loafs" that spell out "Bastet". This was the scribes' way of telling the reader to pronounce the word as "Bast", and not "Bas", and it should not be taken to mean that Her name is pronounced "Bastet". [7]

Other Kemetic translations that have been categorized and miscategorized under Bast are:

Pasht - Probably a mis-spelling of Pakhet. This essay has more information.

Ubastet - The earliest form.

Pakhet (lit. "She Who Scratches", "She Who Rends") - Pakhet may or may not be another god altogether. At the very least, the two gods share many similarities. The famous Speos Artemidos--built by Queen Hatshepsut--is dedicated to Pakhet.

http://www.per-bast.org/bast/essay6.html
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: another interesting explanation Reply with quote

The vase is a bas vase, and the loaf represents the sound /t/. The word Bast is made up of the word "bas" and the Egyptian suffix "-t", and is pronounced "baohst" in the sense that there is a long "a" which has a bit of an o-sound to it. Bastet, another form of her name would then be the feminine of Bast, which is already feminine! This could be due to the fact that a vase and two loaves were often given to her as an offering. Change them to hieroglyphics and it would be "bas" + "t" + "t". Result... Bastet! That is not the preferred name, but since it is widely used in books it deserved an explanation


http://www.drizzle.com/~megacat/bast5.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Toward the beginning of the New Kingdom, the "-t" at the end of words began to vanish from the spoken language due to foreign influences. "


But the EARLIEST written form of Her name has TWO letter T's! (Second Dynasty, well before the NK).

Then, in 4th Dynasty, again with two T's. Again, well before NK. So while this may be valid info for other AE word forms, I don't believe it applies to the name of this Goddess.

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