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Flies and Scorpions as symbols in ancient egypt

 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:50 pm    Post subject: Flies and Scorpions as symbols in ancient egypt Reply with quote

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Snakes are great and so much a part of world religions. Spiders I can't stand. They freak me out. I can't really think of any context in which spiders have any prominent meaning in ancient Egypt. They must have hated them, too!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can't really think of any context in which spiders have any prominent meaning in ancient Egypt. They must have hated them, too!


lol Laughing But what about the Scarab/Scarabeus? Actually, I like these bugs. In the symbolic way.
But in this movie "The Mummy", there were lots of these kind of bugs, right?......that was gross. lol
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isisinacrisis wrote:
Beetles are cute! Well, not cockroaches, but scarabs are harmless little things that don't eat flesh, they eat poo! Don't you just love Egyptian religion? They believed the sun was a giant ball of glowing s*** being rolled across the sky by a beetle. Laughing


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The insects I don't like are wasps, cockroaches, mozzies and flies...well flies don't bother me as much as the stinging biting insects. I don't mind bees though. Is it true that there is an Egyptian necklace with fly shaped charms on it? I don't like spiders at all. But the Egyptians liked scorpions, didn't they? I don't...ick!
I would be terrified if I ever saw a poisonous snake in the wild though! Don't cobras spit poison at you as well as bite you?


I don't like bugs. And I HATE mosquitos, cockroaches, all these gross kinds of insects, lol, and especially big hairy creepy spiders, oh and little spiders too, you know.. those with tiny legs that move really fast (eeewww).
Oh and, as for the scorpions... Pictures and symbols of scarabs and scorpions and cobras are cool, I like them, I'm okay with them, lol, but if I'd meet one of those in reality, I would most likely scream. Wink
I think cobras do spit poisin at you. They have these poisonous teeth, am I right?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it true that there is an Egyptian necklace with fly shaped charms on it?

Yeah, there were many necklaces like this. They were like military medalian type things.
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But the Egyptians liked scorpions, didn't they? I don't...ick!

Well there is that scorpion goddess Selket. But they probably didn't like actual scorpions because they were deadly creatures and all.
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Don't cobras spit poison at you as well as bite you?

Spitting cobras do spit (hence the name), but it's just a warning, they don't spit then bite unless you're stupid and continue to *** them off. But they-like all other poisonous snakes- have venom sacs behind thier fangs, which realeases the venom when the fangs penetrate something, like flesh for an example. It's like a fang orgasm. Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it true that there is an Egyptian necklace with fly shaped charms on it?

Yeah, there were many necklaces like this. They were like military medalian type things.


There are some tomb inscriptions that mention this award I think.
The most famous ones are the 3 gold flies awarded to Queen Ahhotep.
This Lady received the military honors from her son Ahmose.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Egyptians held flies in high respect? As well as dung beetles, poisonous snakes and scorpions? What a crazy religion... Laughing only kidding! I love all that stuff-that's what makes it so interesting!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Just kidding. I deserved it. You all know I can't help being wordy, so pick on me all you want.

But no one responded to my question. Any bug experts out there? How BIG can a dung beetle get? The examples I've seen are just the right size for the bottom of one's boot.

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The most famous ones are the 3 gold flies awarded to Queen Ahhotep.
This Lady received the military honors from her son Ahmose.


I have that fly-necklace photo in several of my books. Isn't it grand? I think Ahhotep received it for her services against the Hyksos while her son was away at war.

Fly amulets (called the afef) actually go back to predynastic times, when they were typically made of stone. By the end of the Old Kingdom you see them formed from such beautiful stones as lapis lazuli and glazed composition; by the First Intermediate Period they appear in sheet gold. It was near the beginning of the New Kingdom when fly amulets like the one in the photo were used as military awards.

This is only theory, but it's felt the fly was venerated in this way because of its tenacity and determination--two characteristics that are very handy for any soldier to have. Thirty-three fly amulets were found in the tomb of the wives of Tuthmosis III, the greatest warrior of them all.

And now you may proceed to make fun of me for writing too much about golden flies! Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who have a handle on the metric system.

Oh for sure, like Anneke for example. Smile


Very Happy Thanks for thinking of me. Technically still a Dutch citizen I'm afraid....

I have a harder time with the American system. I have to keep my cooking equipment in mind to remind me how much 8 oz is , or a pint or something like that. Wink

Back to Egypt:
I have always liked the statue of Selket in Tut's tomb.
I read somewhere that the goddess may have Ankhesenamen's face, but the scorpion on her head shows she's Selket.


Touregypt mentions:
Serqet (Serket, Selqet, Selket, Selkit, Selkis) was the ancient Egyptian scorpion goddess of magic.

In the underworld, she helped in the process of rebirth of the newly deceased, and oriented them as they came to her, giving them the breath of life. Which is interesting given that the scorpion can be deadly (I think it can be at least?)

bugs - rebirth. A pattern? Laughing

Touregypt also mentions that the priest of Selket may have been doctors and magicians.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/serqet.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have always liked the statue of Selket in Tut's tomb.

Oh I know, me too. She's my favourite, I have a picture of her in my living-room (well it's in a box now, but it was in my living-room).
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In the underworld, she helped in the process of rebirth of the newly deceased, and oriented them as they came to her, giving them the breath of life. Which is interesting given that the scorpion can be deadly (I think it can be at least?)

That's intersesting, and yes scorpions can be very deadly, especially the Emperor Scorpion (the big black ones) They are the largest in the world, and they live in many parts of Africa including Egypt.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Selket was also one of the punishers of the damned in the royal Books of the Netherworld. She was one busy chick.

I wouldn't be surprised if the face on this statue was meant to resemble Ankhesenamun. For pharaohs in the New Kingdom it was common, for instance, to depict the god Amun with the facial features of the king. Numerous such pieces were found with what most believe to be Tut's face. It's another way of tying in the divinity between royal and deity. I'm certain this was done with Great Wives, too.

Incidentally, we had a cat named Pickles when I was little who got stung once on the tip of her nose by a scorpion. This was when we lived in Texas. Luckily the little beast didn't invenomate poor Pickles, but that cat sure knew to avoid scorpions from then on! Surprised
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scorpions were important - ever heard the myth Isis and the Seven Scorpions?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Scorpions were important - ever heard the myth Isis and the Seven Scorpions?


Yes, that's a well-known myth. Unfortunately I can't recall the particulars at the moment but I'm strangely interested right now in pulling down one of my mythology books and rereading that one. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here ya go, kmt_sesh:
http://www.philae.nu/philae/sevenscorp.html
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And there you have it. Very Happy Thanks much, Osiris II.
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