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Is this the skull of Smenkhkare or Akhenaten?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have we found nefertiti's body and the bodies of her 8 children? What about Nefertiti's sister mutnodjmet? Idea
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That we know of?
Nope.

Unless you go with this or Joann Fletcher's similar theory.
If you ask me, both are rubbish though. So don't ask me. Twisted Evil [/url]
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we haven't found any of the bo Idea dies??
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That we know of?
Nope.

Unless you go with this or Joann Fletcher's similar theory.
If you ask me, both are rubbish though. So don't ask me. Twisted Evil [/url]


I watched both the Fletcher and Hawass documentaries about the Younger Lady. Both looked at the same evidence and came to different conclusions. I found the examination of the broken arms especially confusing. Fletcher's expert said the bent arm matched the corpse and Hawass's guy said the straight arm matched.

I don't know who to believe. (If Fletcher's guy is correct, I'm not necessarily convinced the corpse is Nefertiti's--I'm actually leaning toward Meritaten.)

Anyway, can someone clarify the discrepancy for me. Is someone lying, mistaken or what? Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"For once" I'm actually enclined to follow the research of Hawass, though I do not agree with his conclusions.
Both theories of the younger lady being Nefertiti seem based on a rather intuitive approach.
I recall reading Fletcher's saying that the moment she laid eyes on her, she felt it was the Queen.
Which struck me as similar to Hawass' viewing of the mummy said to be Ramses I: he "sensed" it was a King.
I think that's quite a weak base for a credible conclusion.
(Beware that's only part of their explanations.)

Hawass' opinion of the stretched arm, being part of the mummy, you could see in a NGC documentary a while back. When viewing both arms and the mummy beside it, it's hard not to agree with Hawass (trust me, this actually pains me a little to say). But no definite answer can be given to the identity of the younger lady. Sometimes Egyptologists have to agree there can be no definite solution to one of Egypt's riddles, unless more gets discovered.

To add more question marks in this discussion:
the Younger Lady has also been named to be Kiya or Meritaten.
No conclusive evidence exists here either.

I don't think anyone is lying or mistaken here.
I only think it's hard not to get carried away by your intuition.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which struck me as similar to Hawass' viewing of the mummy said to be Ramses I: he "sensed" it was a King.
I think that's quite a weak base for a credible conclusion.
(Beware that's only part of their explanations.)

Yeah, I remember him saying he could sense when he was in the presence of a royal mummy. (Just like Yukon Cornelius tasting gold on his pickaxe-- bizarre to me.)

Do you have a personal theory on the identity of the Younger Lady? Smile
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Do we know at what age Nefertiti, Meritaten, and kiya died?? Idea
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do we know at what age Nefertiti, Meritaten, and kiya died?? Idea


No one has a solid idea. Going from what I've read: Nefertiti could have been between late 20s to mid-30s. Mertitaten-late teens to very early 20s, and Kiya is tough to guess. If she is identified as Princess Tadhukepa she could have been in her late teens to early/mid 20s (if Kiya's last appearance at Amarna is dated to Akhenaten's Regnal Year 11ish and we accept a co-regency between him and his father).

Vague enough for you? Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

surfshadow wrote:
Have we found nefertiti's body and the bodies of her 8 children? What about Nefertiti's sister mutnodjmet? Idea


Nefertiti only had 6 daughters, and none of their bodies have been identified. I guess it's always possible we have some, but just not know it (as apparently with Hatshepsut).

A body was found in or near a shaft in Horemheb's tomb in Saqqara. It has been suggested that this woman who died in her 40s (possibly in childbirth) could be Mutnodjemet. But for as far as I know that's all speculative.

The younger woman in KV35 is quite an enigma. Her close proximity to the mummy that is now identified as Queen Tiye based on the lock of hair found in Tut's tomb that matches that of the mummy, would suggest that the younger lady and the boy are both royals.
The boy could be crown prince Tuthmose, son of Amenhotep III and Tiye. Then again, maybe not Smile

If the younger lady is related to the royal family, then there are plenty of possibilities besides Nefertiti: Sitamen, Iset, Henuttaneb (all daughters of Tiye who rather suddenly disappeared from the royal scene), Kiya, Tadukhipa, Meritaten, Ankhesenamun.
For all we know it could be an otherwise unknown royal?

It seems that the experts now somewhat agree that some of the wounds were the cause of death? If that is so, the question would be: who would have been so forcibly removed from the scene?

Did Ankhesenamun get beaten to death because she made too many enemies at court. Could someone have wanted to eliminate Sitamun, Isis or Henuttaneb from the scene so Nefertiti could rise to prominence?
After Tadukhipa's relatives lost power in Mitanni, was she fair game to assasins?

There are so many possibilities it's mind boggling!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thks for your reply. It was great! Very Happy That's the problem with ancient egypt, its so many years ago we have to most of the time guess!! Weren't there any inscriptions on the coffin or tomb?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thks for your reply. It was great! Very Happy That's the problem with ancient egypt, its so many years ago we have to most of the time guess!!

That problem is probably why so many get intruiged by Ancient Egypt.
We have so much artefacts from this culture, and like a puzzle we have to piece them together.
Fun and excitement for the entire family! Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Segereh wrote:

We have so much artefacts from this culture, and like a puzzle we have to piece them together.


And just like inkblot tests everyone can see something different once they put the pieces together Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep that's true it is fun! Very Happy Always two sides of the story everytime!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And just like inkblot tests everyone can see something different once they put the pieces together

And just like inkblot tests AE mysteries all too often get "answered" by complete loonies. Confused
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And just like inkblot tests AE mysteries all too often get "answered" by complete loonies. Confused


LOL What does that say about those who see murder, mayhem and conspiracy everywhere?
Maybe I should not share my theory that Tut was first thrown down a flight of stairs by Ankhesenamen, then stabbed by Horemheb and finally run over by a chariot driven by Aye, and that all this happened after the poison his deranged butler administered the night before did not seem to work?

-- just kidding. (thought I would add that before you suggest I suffer from a severe case of paranoia)
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