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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:25 am    Post subject: Aten worship in dynasty 15 Reply with quote

Well im probobary wrong somehow but........


http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg96/conorp_egypt/My%20photos/100_2243.jpg

If you look at the above image you will notice that at the top of the image you will see a sun with it arms pointing down to the ground. On the end of these arms there are Ankh glyths.

This is very much like akhenaten and the whole amarna period.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

During the reign of Akhenaten The Aten was installed as the principle god of Egypt, and the worship of the old gods was rejected. The Aten was not a new god but an obscure aspect of the sun god worshipped as early as the Old Kingdom. "Aten" was the traditional name for the sun-disk itself and so the name of the god is often translated as "the Aten" (for example, in the coffin texts of the Middle Kingdom) the word "Aten" represents the sun disc, and in the 'Story of Sinuhe' (also from the Middle Kingdom) Amenemhat I is described as soaring into the sky and uniting with Aten, his creator. During the New Kingdom, the Aten was considered to be an aspect of the composite deity Ra-Amun-Horus. (Ra represented the daytime sun, Amun represented the sun in the underworld and Horus represented the sunrise). Akhenaten proclaimed "the Aten" (the visible sun itself) to be the sole deity, taking sun worship a stage further.

Taken from an internet site, www.ancientegyptonline.co/uk
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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During the reign of Akhenaten The Aten was installed as the principle god of Egypt, and the worship of the old gods was rejected. The Aten was not a new god but an obscure aspect of the sun god worshipped as early as the Old Kingdom. "Aten" was the traditional name for the sun-disk itself and so the name of the god is often translated as "the Aten" (for example, in the coffin texts of the Middle Kingdom) the word "Aten" represents the sun disc, and in the 'Story of Sinuhe' (also from the Middle Kingdom) Amenemhat I is described as soaring into the sky and uniting with Aten, his creator. During the New Kingdom, the Aten was considered to be an aspect of the composite deity Ra-Amun-Horus. (Ra represented the daytime sun, Amun represented the sun in the underworld and Horus represented the sunrise). Akhenaten proclaimed "the Aten" (the visible sun itself) to be the sole deity, taking sun worship a stage further.


I am aware of this. My point is that the "Aten" was a minor god. To me this would indicate he was a "bigger" god than we thought.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jan Assmann in Theological Responses to Amarna : As Posener has shown, Personal Piety starts long before Amarna. In this respect, Amarna religion can be shown to be a reaction against the rise of a movement that threatened the position of the king by establishing a direct contact between god and an individual human being. Amarna religion meant a total cosmicization of divinity. God is the sun and nothing but the sun, animating the world by light and time. God is thus banned from history, politics and personal destiny which become the exclusively royal spheres of activity. The breakdown of Amarna religion meant a break-through of Personal Piety. What Akhenaten opposed now becomes the dominant paradigm. Before Amarna, Personal Piety may very possibly
have been just a local phenomenon, restricted to Thebes and to Theban festivals during which the god Amun appeared to his worshippers.


This paper is published in Redford's Festscrift. It was on the web, however I could not find it any longer.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the same article Jan Assmann wrote : There is no explicit refutation or discussion of Akhenaten's ideas. The name is, of course, never mentioned. But even allusions are missing. The very notion of "heresy" seems to be alien to Egyptian theology.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

conorp wrote:
... My point is that the "Aten" was a minor god. ...

Aten, the sun-disk, was an aspect of Ra-Atum. He embodied for the people the daily visible body of the sun god (?).
So, I would not speak of minor ...

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm curious about the 15th dynasty coffin, its a pretty little piece.
Is this your photo Conorp? Do you know which museum it's in now?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sesen wrote:
I'm curious about the 15th dynasty coffin, its a pretty little piece.
Is this your photo Conorp? Do you know which museum it's in now?


It is in the NGV (see Sig)

Yes they are my photos. The gallery also has the top of the coffin.

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Bottom:





Top:





Click on the thumbnail to make the image bigger.

Info:

Name of person: Iret-[en]-Hor-eru

Time: Third Intermediate Period- Late Period, Dynasty XXV (25)
747-600 BC

I have more info if you want?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm confused: Is this dynasty 15 (mentioned in the title) or dynasty 25 (mentioned in last post)?

Is this really a depiction of the Aten? Usually the Aten's rays end in hands. Or is that unique to the Amarna period?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It apperars i read the roman numeals wrong Laughing Embarassed

Its dynasty 25
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

conorp wrote:

Info:

Name of person: Iret-[en]-Hor-eru

Time: Third Intermediate Period- Late Period, Dynasty XXV (25)
747-600 BC

I have more info if you want?


Can you pass on more information? Thanks

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is some scanned info.

In .pdf form

http://conorp.unixpod.com/ed.pdf
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

conorp wrote:
Here is some scanned info.

In .pdf form

http://conorp.unixpod.com/ed.pdf



Thank you conorp. I look forward to reading it.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed in the description that the solar disk is identified as (Hor-) behdet. Who I've seen mentioned as Horus the Behdedite. Or Horus of Behdet.

This form of horus is depicted as a winged sundisk.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Thankyou Conorp. I've never been to that Aussie Museum. It looks like it has some very nice pieces.
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