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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry the quotes are misplaced in my previous posting - can somebody edit these into proper positions? thank you!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are quite a few lion-headed gods and goddesses.

Forty, more or less, and that's just the number of FEMALE leonine/feline -headed goddesses. Even Selket the Scorpion Goddess was sometimes shown with a lioness's head!

That's even more than I thought Smile

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Speos Artemidos = Cave of Artemis -- I think the Greeks mistook Pakhet for Bastet, whom they equated to their Artemis. I'm pretty sure the AE didn't confuse these two great goddesses! (BTW, Hatshepsut's Speos Artemidos inscription tells how the Goddess raged at the mouths of the wadis, because there was no longer a priest to perform a libation-service for Her! The female king then goes on in true propaganda fashion, describing not only the restoration of a priesthood to the Goddess's service, but also the restoration of the damaged shrine and replacement of missing altar furniture.)

I read that Pakhet was equated with Artemis as well.

It would have been easy for people to confuse some of the gods and goddesses I think. You really have to delve into the mythologies a bit and also take note of the inscriptions to disceern one from the other.

I think you're right, the AE would never have confused their deities.
I hadn't heard about the inscriptions at the Speos. Thanks for sharing that Smile Always interesting to hear what they inscribed their temples with.


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This lion imagery is carried over into the modern Coptic Orthodox Church, where the lion is a symbol of St. Mark, the founder of that denomination. (The legend tells of St. Mark killing a lion in a wadi after praying for protection. But I've noted elsewhere on the net how almost _ALL_ the lioness goddess temples are thoroughly destroyed. I wonder if this isn't just an allusion to Xtianity conquering the old Pagan beliefs?)

One other interesting little factoid: the first FEMALE being created was a lioness goddess!


You mean that St Mark conquering the lion is an allusion to Christianity conquering Pagan beliefs? I don't know where the foundations of the Coptic Church lie. If it is near an area where the worship of lion gods/goddesses was prevalent, then that could be a possible explanation.
There's St. Jerome taming a lion, and I don't know what the lion symbolized in this time period. Interesting that it is conquered/subjugated in these 2 instances.

Just curious. You seem to know a lot and you're apparently well-read. Is this job/study related or are you an enthusiastic egyptophile like most of us Kat?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thank you, that's what I meant the post to look like! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You mean that St Mark conquering the lion is an allusion to Christianity conquering Pagan beliefs? I don't know where the foundations of the Coptic Church lie. If it is near an area where the worship of lion gods/goddesses was prevalent, then that could be a possible explanation.
There's St. Jerome taming a lion, and I don't know what the lion symbolized in this time period. Interesting that it is conquered/subjugated in these 2 instances.


That's just my theory-- St. mark wrote one of the four synoptic gospels while still in Jerusalem, then moved to Egypt where he founded what became the Coptic Orthodox Church. So in movng to Egypt, where leonine deities were so prevalent, I think this is possible. The Copts have a folk tradition that the infant Jesus destroyed the Great Temple in Bubastis by Himself, because the Holy Family wasn't warmly welcomed by the Pagans who insisted on cleaving to their own beliefs. (St. Jerome came from Rome, where Xtians were routinely martyred by being fed to the lions in the Coloseum. In his case, the lion-killing symbolism has much to do with this misuse of lions.Also by extension, because the lion was a symbol of St. Mark, who wrote the Gospel, and St. Jerome translated the Gospels into the Latin Vulgate edition.)

There's a local Coptic Orthodox Curch nearby, and I visit it yearly during their annual 'Egypt in America' celebration. This year, when I toured the church, I noticed lion staues flanking Pope Shenouda's throne. These lions were carved almost exactly like the AE statue of Mahes in the Cleveland Museum of Art, so I asked one of the acolytes about them.

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Just curious. You seem to know a lot and you're apparently well-read. Is this job/study related or are you an enthusiastic egyptophile like most of us Kat?



Embarassed Well thank you kindly! I think. Yes, I read a lot, and spend hours tracking down obscure references in scholarly journals. So I can usually cite references to my statements.

I'm one of the true believers, a Kemetic Reconstructionist Pagan. I owe special service to Bastet, but by extension, to the other lioness goddesses as well. (In Bubastis, there were seperate temples for Bastet, Atum, and Mahes, a Hyksos-era chapel of Anpu (Anubis), and OK Ka temples of two or three kings. In the Great Temple itself, there were shrines to other lioness goddesses, including Sekhmet, Seshmetet, etc. In fact, the Ennead of Bubastis consisted almost exclusively of lioness goddesses. And while Bubastis was the capital of a seperate nome in the LP, in OK and later eras, it belonged to the Heliopolitan nome.)
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