Egyptian Dreams

[Mandi]

Just picked up my book of lectures.... And so i am just getting started when it states that christianity infitrates the middle line (meroe area) in the absense of the Meroitic kindom... all these little christian kingdoms form... But small problem... Nowhere does it say what happened to the Meroic period and its government and structure etc....

What happened to it??? Certainly, it was not all beamed up by a UFO by some lil green men....
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[Segereh]

[Mandi]

I found your joke highly amusing actually but then again i havent really slept a good night in like 2 weeks now.

I think it is interesting that you blame christian infiltration as it would seem according to the material i am reading there was an almost "intermediate" period post Meroe in which 3 major kingdoms sort of grew up and actually asi kept reading i got some suggestions as to what happened. Some claim it was the Ethiopians Axsomethin (as i said no sleep) Others say it was internal barbarians..... But such a wording barbarians? In which sense??? The archeological sense or the the more standard meaning? It wasn't till atleast about roughly a hundred or more years till the christians came in. or so says my study material. First there was all this weird cultural change that naturally happened on it's own visible in the pottery and then we start to see christianity reflected in the ceramics.... But honestly, i have no idea how well this time period is understood i am afraid. Nor do i have a sufficient understanding to as of yet hoold my own opinion on this subject... Though every bit of information i take in leaves me that much closer to such a goal. Anyway, my book discusses Makuria, Nobadia, and atleast one other group and it says at the beginning they were pagan and though in the early times the royalty may have leaned toward Xtianity, it wasn't till a *bit* later that there was mass conversion and the church sent their people out to Nubia it was one of (maybe the last) pagan hold out for a little while. (Atleast that is what i am reading)
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[Dadude]

Lol apparently none of yall have heard of the little kingdom called Aksum In bout 350 AD the kingdom's forces attacked Meroe, destroying the empire, as well as its pagan religion. Couple centuries later, voila Christian Nubia
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[Mandi]

Please forgive me for argueing this point as i openly accept you could very well be correct. I have heard this theory, and it doesn't seem farfetched, All the same the evidence (so my school books say) is made up of a few coins and some bit of writing (I think the book claimed it was greek... But i would have to look it up to be certain) That is all they have that indicate such a thing. *1* text from those in Ethiopia. If i am wrong.... Please say so. I am merely going by the education i have received thus far, (Which is not much) As for other evidence supporting the take over... It seems pretty scarce and it does not appear that Nubia was annexed so to speak according to the archeaological record, (once again according to my text books) Though they also do admit this is a possibility that Nubia was taken over by those from the Ethiopian area. I, personally would like to see more evidence for it before i accept it as fact, but maybe it is just my lacking in education that i have not seen more evidence if so, please enlighten me. If not... well such is life.
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[Segereh]

[wysingm]

[Mandi]

And all we know for certain is that there was wide spread abandonment. As well as a split into 3 followed by a progression towards christianity. But i am wondering *why* they would abandon just like that.... In that same portion of the book you are quoting it also relates that Axium is an, how was it put... "atractive" theory or something roughly to that effect. It also says earlier that it was believed the Nubians pretty much destroyed themselves... due to barbarianis.... It sounds like no one really knows. There is however some written document that declares Meroe to be somehow "vassalized" or something of Axium Even coins were mentioned. Yes it does also mention the Blemmyes (however it is spelled, sorry i am actually dyslexic and i can provide you with the paper work proving that from every year from the age of 4 up through the present day all signed by legitimate experts, please forgive spelling errors...) Who exactly are the Blemmyes? Maybe there isn't just one answer? Hard to imagine 1 thing destroying such an empire....Maybe it was a combination of several things? I don't really know how much can be said about Nubia at all... Though it would seem lack of understanding of the language and inability to dig in many areas and it's being a newer sort of study, maybe actually make theorizing about really much of anything rather premature. But maybe as i am just beginning this study it is just me who doesn't have substantial information and not infact all of us.
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[wysingm]

[wysingm]

[Mandi]

First let me say this computer is evil in every respect. It belongs to my fiance, and comes all the way from Finland and has a bunch of weird keys that keep screwing me up so... Please, don't judge my typing too harshly.. My computer, decided that Cleo 7 had the right idea and has sadly killed itself, much to my great annoyance and financial inconvenience.

I wanted to thank you for the explanation on the Blemmyes Makes me quite curious actually as no one really knows where they came from.

As for Edwards for 1, he seems very intelligent and a lovely source of information on many matters. But i wonder sometimes if what he is suggesting in places is a bit more leaning towards wishful thinking as opposed to hard core fact. Maybe my view is just way off base.but i find some of his word choices a bit... I dunno... just maybe mildly (loadedd) (I can't figure out vitun quotation marks on this computer) For example, at one point he talks about some sort of (crap i need those quotations again... Good goddess, i think i am gonna cry soon this computer is soooooo annoying, otherwise i will just curse it up one end and down the other in it's own native language.) 'water containers' He mentions a theory that they were excavated by the Meroitic people. I am a bit concerned about the word excavated.... It carries a certain implication. And the words, dug up, still express they were brought up from below but in a less loaded way, for example. There are quite a number of such wordings that strike me as a bit.... odd... And i guess, i worry because it seems he has a great many theories... I guess i am one of those strange people who views archaeology as a humanity rather than a science. A humanity that employs science to gain answers to the questions we have. Science is a very very important tool.... I think, with really just about nothing to go on setting up a hypothesis, and seeking to prove it, maybe just excavating more open mindedly with nothing but questions would be a better way to go? I am not saying anyone is doing anything wrong i am sure they are not, But i do find that when people are sort of looking for something they generally find it because facts can always be bent... so can other facts.... and soon you find wow when you twist them like so it all adds up! (I am NOT saying Edwards does anything of the sort) But i am just noting a few things that make me a little uncomfortable with portions of the text. And it could all just be that i have trust issues, and i would question the sky on weather it is infact blue or not. Edwards, as i said is very intelligent with alot of experience. i am just a lowly student trying to learn, I am sure Edwards knows far more about these things than i do.
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