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Very old, detailed account of pyramid excavation, sarcophagi

 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:00 am    Post subject: Very old, detailed account of pyramid excavation, sarcophagi Reply with quote

Greetings.

I am a researcher in Islamic History and I came accross a very detailed account of what seems to be an unintentional pyramid excavation from over 1000 years ago. Sarcophagi are described with detail, their contents, and a dried substance in a pitcher that was assumed to be used for mummification. The substance was actually tested and its scent and properties desrcibed.

I believe this report may be very significant to historians, so I would like to talk to an expert who knows about the first pyramid excavations.

Thanks in advance for any help you could offer.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need a few more details with which to work.
What period in history, which pyramid (there are over 50) name(s) of excavators, etc.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, but a bit vague. Any account of a burial/mummy in a pyramid would be significant.

We do know caliph Abdullah Al Mamun, for example, entered the Great Pyramid, in the early C9th. Could this reference be unknown to egyptology?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I found out through another post that this account is known to Egyptologists. It was something mentioned by al-Mas'udi. And yes, they found more than one sarcophagus and some mummification materials, too.

See: http://forum.egyptiandreams.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=3933
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh well - never mind.
This should be an insentive to go and find some undiscovered accounts!
- Egyptology would be most grateful if you found some
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Idea Not clear by what you mean by "undiscovered accounts"?

The point is that these accounts are known and mentioned in some of the books about the pyramids.

According to the accounts of their historians, the caliphs did excavate the pyramids. I think one problem is that there are some conflicting accounts about what was found. All the accounts mention finding human remains. There is some differing in the accounts of just how much "treasure" was found.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

“Undiscovered accounts”
- It would nice to think that new material still might be found, un-regarded in some archive somewhere – someone leaving a suite of ‘golden armour’ in there will!

& Interest in egyptology should encouraged in Islamic studies.

Although I must admit it seems highly unlikely (& I know b* a* about Islamic sources of for this period). Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AH I see what you meant Very Happy

It would be nice to find such accounts in archives. I guess it still happens once in a while that new texts are discovered or in some cases located in some dusty archive.

I would be worried that if any gold had been discovered by the caliphs, it would have been treated the way the Europeans treated treasures from the Americas: melted down and reused.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Arabic manuscripts (between 200 and 1200 years old) are still showing up here and there all over earth... Muslim historians have written amazingly detailed history books - some of them about the happenings of a few centuries, year by year - others about the rulers and their governments' activities, others about important figures and their biographies. The book I was reading when I came across the excavation story, Murooj adh-Dhahab of al-Mas'udi, for example, gives in depth descriptions of the terrain, rivers, minerals, buried treasures and other features of different lands. One interesting thing I remember reading was about backgammon, its Persian origin, and the shape and design of the playing board, the dice, and the game pieces in great detail! Many historical writings like these have been lost - some of them may be mislabeled in huge manuscript libraries, others may have been destroyed, others may be in private collections. They pop up every now and then... There is a lot of academic efforts in Arab universities to work on these manuscripts. There is a lot to learn from Muslim historians! Not just things relevant to Muslims and the Islamic religion.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M. Andrew wrote:
... The book I was reading when I came across the excavation story, Murooj adh-Dhahab of al-Mas'udi, ...

See : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_al-Masudi
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... There is a lot to learn from Muslim historians! Not just things relevant to Muslims and the Islamic religion.

Naturally. Exactly as there is a lot to learn from Jewish, Christian, Agnostic, Atheism, and so on ... historians.

Greetings, Lutz.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting perspective, - so there is still much to find in Islamic texts, which is good news for all Smile

The problem is that often the people reading texts are looking for something specific, so important things can not be noticed untill the relevant specialist reads it.
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