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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing If I have to hold my breath much longer I will turn blue.... Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Topographical Bibliography of Ancient Egyptian Hieroglypic Texts, Reliefs and Paintings, Vol VII, Nubia, The Desserts and Outside Egypt wrote:


Semna West
Temple dedicated to Dedwen and Sesostris III. Temp Tuthmosis III
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Top register: Tuthmosis III with ka receives life from Dedwen followed by Sesostris III, with upper part of Nile-god beyond
Second register (superimposed on earlier scene):Queen Katimal and pricess, Dyn. XXI-XXII (?), before Isis, with text of year 14 of Katimal behind Isis
Third register: Man, probably Seni, viceroy of Kush, temp. Amosis, Amenophis I and Tuthmosis I, with biographical text, and remains of scene, an overseer of the South Lands kneeling before cartouches of Ramesses III
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so 21st, 22nd héhéhé
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Anneke, please breath again Confused Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So as I said earlier, do not always believe what the Oriental institute tells you Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks!

Do you think it's possible that this was originally a depiction of Maatkare-Hatshepsut? Or maybe a wife of Thutmosis III?

Still interesting to see the dating to the 21-22nd dynasty....
Makes me wonder if she ruled Egypt or Nubia...
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So what I noticed in this quote is that this book doesn't speak about an unnamed king but of "year 14 of Katimal"
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL I'm still breathing. Don't worry Laughing

You're right it is interesting that the inscription says YR 14 of Katimal.

That's quite a long time for anyone to rule, and even more so for a woman by herself. It makes me wonder if there are any other monuments of hers that we just don't know about.
Wonder if she "padded her resume"?

I still think it's interesting that the temple was dedicated by Thutmosis III. It still makes me wonder if Hatshepsut was somehow the one who started the building project, and it is her year 14 we're seeing. (am I just harping on the same thing?).

Well, gotta go. (Have exams I need to grade Crying or Very sad )
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anneke wrote:
Do you think it's possible that this was originally a depiction of Maatkare-Hatshepsut? Or maybe a wife of Thutmosis III?


Possible, during the 21st and 22nd dynasty there were also a lot of Maatkares, and especialy if there was a female ruler I can imagine that she would have chosen Hatshepsut as an example, on the other hand, why wipe out her image then, or maybe it had been wiped out already and she tried to restore it... ... speculations Tom Speculations Embarassed
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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speculations Tom Speculations


Somehow that came into my brain as Speculaas Tom Speculaas Laughing
(For the non-Dutch: Speculaas is a Dutch type of ginger bread, and I associate it with winter time Cool )
Must be hungry...

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Possible, during the 21st and 22nd dynasty there were also a lot of Maatkares, and especialy if there was a female ruler I can imagine that she would have chosen Hatshepsut as an example, on the other hand, why wipe out her image then, or maybe it had been wiped out already and she tried to restore it


That's what I thought. They took some of the same throne names as the 18th dyn. rulers didn't they?
Also interesting to note that Maatkare was still such a revered name at that time. After all there was some damnatio memorae inflicted on her at that time.
But I'm getting off on tangents here.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no you're not, I found it very interesting too as no books or sites seems to write about this woman. The text however could have been the remains of an earlier text, for instance of Hatshepsut: reign 14 of Hatshepsut, while the name Hatshepsut had been wiped out. Hatshepsut ruled for 15 years
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anneke wrote:
Somehow that came into my brain as Speculaas Tom Speculaas Laughing
(For the non-Dutch: Speculaas is a Dutch type of ginger bread, and I associate it with winter time Cool )
Must be hungry...


:eggface: you'll have to wait 1 more month for that: I can only be eaten on Saint-Nicolas day
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.fathom.com/feature/190131/ in this article they say that she was despicted in a temple at Semna
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Psusennes III wrote:
no you're not, I found it very interesting too as no books or sites seems to write about this woman. The text however could have been the remains of an earlier text, for instance of Hatshepsut: reign 14 of Hatshepsut, while the name Hatshepsut had been wiped out. Hatshepsut ruled for 15 years


That's what I was thinking too.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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anneke wrote:
Somehow that came into my brain as Speculaas Tom Speculaas Laughing
(For the non-Dutch: Speculaas is a Dutch type of ginger bread, and I associate it with winter time Cool )
Must be hungry...


:eggface: you'll have to wait 1 more month for that: I can only be eaten on Saint-Nicolas day


Very Happy I'll have to try and find some here in St Louis.
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anneke wrote:
That's what I was thinking too.


Isn't it amazing how brilliant minds often come up with the same ideas? :new-alien: Razz
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