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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:14 pm    Post subject: Different Names in Ancient Egypt Reply with quote

I am reading from different texts and encyclopedias of Ancient Egypt, and there seem to be a lot of different names to take account of. Is there anywhere that there is listed a rough outline or guideline of the way the progression of different names? For example, dhjeuty, Thoth, or Heracleopolis, is Heliopolis, is at Luxor Carnac, a place where they tell you the name progression. I still come across to this day names I don't have a good reference point for.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:30 am    Post subject: Re: Different Names in Ancient Egypt Reply with quote

dzama923 wrote:
... there seem to be a lot of different names ... For example, dhjeuty, Thoth, or Heracleopolis, is Heliopolis, is at Luxor Carnac, a place where they tell you the name progression. I still come across to this day names I don't have a good reference point for.

First of all, it is important to distinguish between the modern (Arab) names, the Greek terms and the Ancient Egyptian names. Looking at your examples:

The name Thoth is the Greek term for the Ancient Egyptian god Djehuty.

Heracleopolis is the Greek name of the town Neni-nesu. Its Coptic name is Hnes, and in modern Arabic it is known as Ihnasya el-Medina. The
Greek name comes from the identification of Herishef, the principal deity of the town, with Heracles.

Heliopolis is the Greek name for the Ancient Egyptian town Iunw, where the temples of the creater and sun gods Atum and Ra (identified by the Greeks with there god Helios) were. This city is called in the bible On. Today Heliopolis is a city district of Cairo.

Luxor (Arab, el-Uqsur; French, Louxor) is the modern name for the city the Greeks called Thebes and the Ancient Egyptians Waset. Karnak is the name of a village to the north of Luxor. It is known for the temple complex for the gods Amun / Imen, Mut, Montu, and others.

Helpful are ...

Richard H. Wilkinson : The Complete Gods and Goddesses. - London : Thames & Hudson, 2003. - 256 p.

Steven Snape : The Complete Cities of Ancient Egypt. - London : Thames & Hudson, 2014. - 240 p.

Kathryn A. Bard : Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt. - London : Routledge, 1999. - 968 p.

And of course ...

Bertha Porter / Rosalind Moss : Topographical Bibliography of Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphic Texts, Reliefs, and Paintings I-VII.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been working on a table that gives all the currently-known names and equivalencies for various locations and sites in Egypt, since I couldn't find one source that did it consistently (though Bill Manley's Historical Atlas of Ancient Egypt does a pretty good job, so that might be one for you to check out).

I'll post my list here when I'm done. I won't pretend it's any great work of historical scholarship, but it is what it is... Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wilhelm Berg : Historische Karte des Alten Ägypten. - Sankt Augustin : Verlag Hans Richarz, 1973. - ISBN: 978-3-921255-01-8. - Portefolio containing 27 + 24 loose sheets, 21 x 30 cm [26 + 23 in colour] and two booklets, together 76 p.:
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The portefolio contains two serieses of maps of ancient Egypt part 1, Egypt from the Mediterranean to Aswân (1 key map+ 26 sheets in colours), part 2, Nubia and the Sudan from Aswân to just above the confluence of the Rahab and the Blue Nile (1 key map + 23 sheets in colours). The scale of the maps is 1 : 500,000, which means that they cover a wide area on the right hand side of the Nile, including, for example, the larger part of the Sinai Peninsula, but that on the other hand they are rather small for clearly indicating the habitation in the Nile Valley. The numbers of the maps do not correspond to the actual numbers: in part 1 there are sheets 18a and 21a, while in part 2 sheets 1, 9, 12 and 22 are missing.

The added booklets contain lists of the Arabic place-names and indexes to Greek and Latin, Coptic and ancient Egyptian names, each ancient name being followed by the modern Arabic equivalent. There are also in each volume indexes of modern names with references to the ancient ones, in some instances with a bibliographical reference, and in vol. 2 a list of the major ruins along the Upper Nile the ancient name of which is uncertain.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, thanks guys, this helps a lot. I am fairly new to the Ancient Egyptian scholarly work. There is a lot I still can learn.

That list of yours montuhotep, sounds ideal, it seems like a lot to memorize otherwise. How long until you think it is done? I will look at the Historical Atlas of Ancient Egypt in the meantime.

Can you guys recommend any books about the history of the cities? It seems like there are a lot changes, since they are named in Ancient Egyptian, then Greek, then Arabic.

Thanks for your help. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can go ahead and post what I have... I'm still working through Gardiner's Onomastica to see what I can glean from that, so it should be understood as a work in progress.

Although once famously described as a "civilization without cities," that notion is now understood to be inaccurate. The two books that I have found with the most detail would be Baines and Malek's Atlas of Ancient Egypt, also appearing under the title of Cultural Atlas of Ancient Egypt; and there's also Steven Snape's The Complete Cities of Ancient Egypt, part of the pretty good "Complete" series published by Thames and Hudson (though "complete" is rather stretching a point, the whole series is worthwhile).
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Disclaimer: I am an enthusiast, not a professional; the following is cobbled together from several sources and is not annotated. I have no doubt that I have made several errors, which I hope to correct as I go along; your mileage may vary, and all that. Smile In general, the names are listed from newest/current to oldest, with modern, classical/Greek, and ancient Egyptian. Some place names changed over time, and the arrangement and borders of nomes/districts was not the same in all periods-- they are given here primarily as a convenient structure. Spelling is variable.

The preview function on the forum doesn't seem to be working, so I sure hope this comes out legibly! If not, I'll try again later...

The Valley of Egypt: Ta-Shema

First Valley Nome, Land of the Bow, Ta-Sety
    ephantine, Abu
    Aswan, Syene, Swenet or Swenu
    Kom Ombo, Ombos, Nubty
    Gebel el-Silsila, Kheny or Khenu

Second Valley Nome, Throne of Horus, Wetjes-Hor
    Edfu, Apollinopolis Magna, Djeba or Behdet

Third Valley Nome, Shrine, Nekhen
    Kom el-Ahmar, Hierakonpolis, Nekhen
    el-Kab, Eileithyiaspolis, Nekheb
    Esna, Latopolis, Iunyt or (Ta)senet or (Ta)-Senj
    el-Mo’alla, Hefat

Fourth Valley Nome, Sceptre, Waset
    Gebelein, Aphroditopolis/Pathyris, Per-Hathor or Iner-ti
    Tod, Tuphium, Djerty
    el-Mahamid Qibly, Crocodilopolis, Sumenu

Armant, Hermonthis, Iuny or Iunu-Montu
    Luxor/Karnak, Thebes/Diospolis Magna, Waset, Ipet-Sut, Iunu-Shema

Fifth Valley Nome, Two Falcons, Heruwy/Netjerwy
    Nag’ el-Madamud, Madu
    Qus, Apollinopolis Parva, Gesa or Gesy
    Naqada, Ombos, Nubt
    Qift, Koptos, Gebtu
    Khozam, Iunshenshen

Sixth Valley Nome, Crocodile, Iqer/Meseh
    Qena, Kaine/Caenepolis
    Deir el-Ballas, Per-djed-ken?
    Dendera, Tantyris, Iunet or Tantere

Seventh Valley Nome, Sistrum, Seshesh/Bat
    Hiw, Diospolis Parva, Hut or Hut-Sekhem

Eighth Valley Nome, Great Land, Ta-Wer
    el-‘Araba el-Madfuna, Abydos, Abedju
    Girga, Thinis, Tjeny

Ninth Valley Nome, Min, Min
    Akhmim, Panopolis, Ipu or Khent-Min

Tenth Valley Nome, Cobra, Wadjet
    Qaw el-Kebir, Antaeopolis, Tjebu

Eleventh Valley Nome, Seth, Seth
    Badari
    Shutb, Hypselis, Shashotep

Twelfth Valley Nome, Viper Mount, Djufet
    el-Atawla, Hieracon, Per-Nemty

Thirteenth Valley Nome, Upper Sycamore and Viper, Nedfet-khent
    Asyut, Lykopolis, Sauty
    Manfalut, Dara

Fourteenth Valley Nome, Lower Sycamore and Viper, Nedjfet-pehte
    el-Qusiya, Kusai, Cusae, Qis
    Hatnub (quarry)
    el-Amarna, Akhetaten

Fifteenth Valley Nome, Hare, Wenet
    Balansura, Nefrusy
    Deir el-Bersheh
    el-Ashmunein, Hermopolis Magna, Khmun or Wenu
    el-Sheikh ‘Ibada, Antinoöpolis, Besa

Sixteenth Valley Nome, Oryx, Mahedj
    Beni Hasan/el-Minya, Men’at-Khufu? Djut-Heru? Per-Pakhet?
    Kom el-Ahmar, Zawyet el-Maiyitin, Hebenu
    Hur, Herwer
    Tihna el-Gebel, Akoris, Dehenet

Seventeenth Valley Nome, Jackal, Anpu
    el-Qeis, Cynopolis, Saka or Hardai

Eighteenth Valley Nome, Nemty, Sep/Nemty
    el-Hiba, Akyronon Polis, Teudjoi

Nineteenth Valley Nome, Two Sceptres, Wabwy
    el-Bahnasa, Oxyrynchus, Per-Medjed

Twentieth Valley Nome, Southern Sycamore, Naret-khentet
    Tayu-Djayet?
    Ihnasya el-Medina, Herakleopolis Magna, Henen-Nesut or Nenj-Nesut
    el-Lahun, Ptolemais Hormos, Hotep-Sensusret or Rehenet

Twenty-First Valley Nome, Northern Sycamore, Naret-pehte
    Maidum, Mery-Atum

Twenty-Second Valley Nome, Knife, Maten/Mednit
    Atfih, Aphroditopolis, Tepyhut or Per-Nebtepih


Faiyum, She-Resy, Mer-Wer/Ta-She
    Medinet el-Faiyum, Krokodilopolis/Arsinoe, Shedet
    Hawara
    Miwer
    Medinet Madi, Narmuthis, Dja



The Delta of Egypt: Ta-Mehu

First Delta Nome, White Walls, Ineb-Hedj
    el-Lisht, Itjtawy
    Mazghuna
    Dahshur, Wenet-Sneferu
    Abusir, Busiris, Per-Usire
    Saqqara *(Per-Sokar?)
    Mit Rahina, Memphis, Mennefer or Ineb-Hedj
    Abu Rowash
    Tura, Ainu

Second Delta Nome, Cow’s thigh, Khepesh
    Ausim, Letopolis, Khem

Third Delta Nome, West, Iment
    Kom el-Hisn, Apis, Imu or Iam

Fourth Delta Nome, Southern Shield, Sapi-res/Nit-resu
    Tanta, Ptkheka

Fifth Delta Nome, Northern Shield, Sapi-meh/Nit-mehte
    Sa el-Hagar, Sais, Sau

Sixth Delta Nome, Mountain Bull, Khaset
    Sakha, Xois, Khasu
    Tell el-Fara‘in, Buto, Djebaut or Pe-Dep or Per-Wadjet

Seventh Delta Nome, West Harpoon, Hwi-ges-Imenti
    Damanhur, Hermopolis Parva

Eighth Delta Nome, East Harpoon, Hwi-ges-Iabti
    Tell el-Maskhuta, Heroöpolis or Pithom, Tjeku or Per-Atum

Ninth Delta Nome, Andjety, Andjeti
    Abu Sir Bara, Busiris, Djedu

Tenth Delta Nome, Black Bull, Kha-khem/Kem-wer
    Banha (Tell Atrib), Arthribis, Hut-hery-ib

Eleventh Delta Nome, Heseb Bull, Kha-heseb/hesbu
    Tell el-Urydam, Leontopolis, Taremu or Ikhenu
    Horbeit, Pharbaetus, Setennu

Twelfth Delta Nome, Calf and Cow, Theb-ka
    Tell Hisn or Samanud, Sebennytos, Tjebnetjer

Thirteenth Delta Nome, Prospering Sceptre, Heqa-adj
    Materiya/Ayn Shams, Heliopolis, Iunu
    Tell el-Yahudiyya, Leontopolis, Nay-Ta-Hut

Fourteenth Delta Nome, Eastmost, Khent-Iabti
    Tell Abu Sefa/Tell el-Habua, Sile, Tjaru
    Tell el-Farama, Pelusium, Per-Amun/Senu

Fifteenth Delta Nome, Ibis, Djehuti
    Tell el-Naqus/Baqliya, Hermopolis Parva, Ba’h or Weprehwy
    Damietta, Tamiathis, Tamiat

Sixteenth Delta Nome, Fish, Kha/Hat-Mehit
    Tell el-Rub‘, Mendes, Djedet or Per-Banebdjedet

Seventeenth Delta Nome, Throne, Sema-behdet
    Tell el-Balamun, Diospolis Inferior, Sema-behdet

Eighteenth Delta Nome, Prince of the South, Imty-khenti
    Tell Basta, Bubastis, Per-Bastet

Nineteenth Delta Nome, Prince of the North, Imty-pehu
    Tell Nebesha or San el-Hagar, Leontopolis Tanis, Dja‘net
    Qantir, Pi-Ramses, Per-Ramses
    Tell ed-Dab‘a, Avaris, Hut-waret or Rowarty

Twentieth Delta Nome, Plumed Falcon, Sopdu
    Saft el-Hinna, Soped, Per-Sopdu


Oases
    Kharga, Oasis Magna, Kenem
    Dakhla, (part of Oasis Magna), Djesdjestet
    Farafra, Oasis Trinitheos, Ta-ihw
    Bahariya, Oasis Parva, Djesdjes
    Wadi Natrun, Nitria, Sekhet-Hemat
    Kurkur
    Dunqul
    Selima


Coasts
    Alexandria, Rhakotis, Raqedi
    Aboukir, Canopus, Pikuat
    Quseir
    Mersa Gawais, Sawu
    Berenike, “Head of Nehkeb”


Nubia
Wawat (Lower Nubia)
    Kuban, Baki
    Aniba, Miam
    Faras, Ibshek
    Serra East
    Buhen, Buhen
    Mirgissa, Iqen
    Abu Simbel, Meha
    Askut
    Shalfak


Kush (Upper Nubia)
    Semna, Heh
    Amara West, Per-Menmaatre or Khenem-Waset
    Soleb
    Shaat, Sai


Yam/Karoy (Upper Nubia)
    Kerma
    Kawa, Gem-Aten
    Napata, Napt or Napty


The Sinai: Biaw

The Mediterreanean: Wadj-Wer

The Red Sea: Payum-a’a en-Muqed

Eritrea (?): Punt
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh, came out fairly well. The first entry should of course read "Elephantine" rather than "ephantine," but you get the idea.
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Found by chance, maybe of interest ...

" Ancient Locations - Database of Archaeological Sites "

Regions Index : " Egypt ---> Settlements ".
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, if I could only find a compilation of all the Ancient Egyptian God names. I still get confused and run into new names, that I don't have a reference to.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dzama923 wrote:
Now, if I could only find a compilation of all the Ancient Egyptian God names. ...


Lexikon der ägyptischen Götter und Götterbezeichnungen, Vol. I - VIII (Leuven : Peeters, 2002 - 03)

For the beginning and for home use should be ...

Richard H. Wilkinson : The Complete Gods and Goddesses. - London : Thames & Hudson, 2003. - ISBN : 0500284245. - 256 p.

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