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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 11:05 pm    Post subject: Statue of Liberty, Egyptian! Reply with quote

I was told a while ago by a friend that originally the Statue of Liberty (Americas most familiar monument) was meant for Egypt!
I had no idea about this so researched it to find out exactly what had gone on. Below is an extract from a website (and a link if you wish to read the full history).

Well anyway somehow it wormed it's way into the conversation tonight at a friends house.
What would be the second most defining American monument?
How strange would it be to have this huge monument in Egypt?
How would the end of Planet of the Apes be changed?!
Ghost Buster II would've been so different?!

Obviously a strange topic and hopefully will not offend any board members.

Give me some imput! Sharon xx.


"A man of his time, Bartholdi wasn't alone in his passion for art on a grand scale. During the 19th century, large-scale public monuments were an especially popular art form. It was an age of ostentation, largely inspired by classical Greek and Roman civilizations. Most monuments reflected either the dress or architecture of these ancient times, so the artistic style of the 19th century came to be known as neoclassical. However, it was a trip to Egypt that was to shift his artistic perspective from simply grand to colossal. The overwhelming size and mysterious majesty of the Pyramids and the Sphinx were awesome to the enthusiastic young Bartholdi. He wrote, "Their kindly and impassive glance seems to ignore the present and to be fixed upon an unlimited future."

While visiting Egypt, Bartholdi met a fellow Frenchman with ideas as big as his own, who was to become his friend for life. Count Ferdinand-Marie de Lesseps dreamed of piercing the desert with a canal that would run from the Mediterranean to the Red Sea. While others first laughed at de Lesseps, Bartholdi was inspired by the magnitude of the idea. As a sculptor, he envisioned a giant lighthouse standing at the entrance to de Lesseps's canal. It would be patterned after the Roman goddess Libertas, and twice the size of the Sphinx.

In 1867, when de Lesseps's idea, the Suez Canal, was nearing completion, Bartholdi drew up plans for his statue. It was to be in the form of a robed female Egyptian peasant, a falaha, with light beaming out from both a headband and a torch thrust dramatically upward into the skies. Its theme? "Progress" or "Egypt Carrying the Light to Asia." (Years later, Bartholdi denied any association between "Progress" and the final design for the Statue of Liberty.) Bartholdi presented his plans for "Progress" to the Egyptian ruler, Isma'il Pasha, in 1867 and, with revisions, again in 1869. But the project was never commissioned".

http://www.americanparknetwork.com/parkinfo/sl/history/liberty.html
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't say I'm surprised, I think many artists, sculptors and architects etc have been greatly influenced by Egypt during the past few centuries. There is even a mill in Leeds (not far from me) that is designed as an Egyptian temple! You can check out a photo of the mill on Gavin's website.

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/gavin.egypt/architec.htm

Wonder why Bartholdi denied any association between "Progress" and the Statue of Liberty? Confused (Unless he was worried France and the US would think they had been short changed?)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Mill is funny. I can't imagine that in the middle of leeds!
I will have to have a good look at that site. See if Uxbridge has any Egyptian inspired architecture.

I think your right about the short change! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theres also that huge glass pyramid building in France (I think)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve wrote:
theres also that huge glass pyramid building in France (I think)

It's the entrance to the Louvre Museum in Paris


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isnt there a giant pyramid(glass and steel) in Las Vegas?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

almostascribe wrote:
isnt there a giant pyramid(glass and steel) in Las Vegas?


Luxor Hotel, Las Vegas

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my parents ditched me during the winter last year to go there.. it was sooo mean cuz they knew i like egypt and stuff.. :S lol ahh but its all good..
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol awwwww poor Serena Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahah but they borught me back a pharaoh hat Very Happy so i was happy enough.. my bro got the cool shotglass tho Razz!!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting topic...but I read somewhere something even more controversial...

Namely, that the Statue of Liberty was meant to represent Isis! Surprised

I know, I'm not sure if I believe that myself, I'm not sure where I saw the article, plus the statue of Liberty doesn't look very Egyptian...
but Isis is the most famous egyptian goddess and if as the article you posted said the statue was for Egypt originally, maybe it could be true!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... umm.. when i think of liberty.. and egypt.. and put it together i think Ma'at... but i guess isis would work but i always think of those balance weight thtings when i think of the statue of liberty..
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh, best not let this get out... any American with a lack of self-restraint might not take kindly to this Wink

I suppose it's feasible though. I don't actually know what the Statue of Liberty was for... a couple of thousand of years outside my main interests, lol... I know it was a gift from France, but why?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:38 am    Post subject: Re: Statue of Liberty, Egyptian! Reply with quote

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[quote="wannabe"]I was told a while ago by a friend that originally the Statue of Liberty (Americas most familiar monument) was meant for Egypt!
I had no idea about this so researched it to find out exactly what had gone on. Below is an extract from a website (and a link if you wish to read the full history).


This post is so old that I don't even expect a response, lol... But for anyone out there that still would like to know... The statue of liberty was actually a gift from France. Originally it was a slave woman, wrapped in shackles in honor of the North's victory over the south in the American civil war (mostly due to the fighting on behalf of ex slave soldiers who pretty much determined the fate of the war.)


http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa020900a.htm
or http://www.endex.com/gf/buildings/liberty/solnews/solap020600.htm


Interestingly enough, most Americans continue to not know about this. Shocked I didn't until I researched it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously?

When the US of A celebrated the XXXth anniversary of the Statue the French president (Mitterand) visited Manhattan. I thought every American would've remembered Reagan's shamelesly ashaming attempt of speaking French to the poor (late) Mr. Mitterand...

Maybe it's because I'm from ye olde continente that I noticed? Cool
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