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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:55 pm    Post subject: "Secrets of the Exodus" Reply with quote

I just came across this book and read the synopisis saying that Moses was not Hebrew but really Egyptian, and that the Pharaoh was Akhenaten at the time. I haven't read the book, and it goes on to say that they definetly know that Moses was Egyptian, not Hebrew. Has anyone read this book or agrees with this theory?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a link to the book

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1581153198/qid=1092427347/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-5765973-5933632?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hm, interesting theory. I've seen a lot of biblical-Egyptian connections. One is that Moses learnt Egyptian magic and that's how he parted the red sea (because there's allegedly a myth in Egypt about parting waters), another is that the 10 commandments are a condensed version of the Egyptian confessions from the book of the dead. Another is that one of the psalms is taken from a hymn to Aten. And one of the craziest theories that i've heard is that Jesus Christ is King Tut-or the reincarnation of Tut...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't read the book, but I did come accross this quote by Josephus:

..." he was by birth of Hellopolis, and his name was Osarsiph, from Osyris the god of Hellopolis, but that he changed his name, and called himself Moses."

This is what Josephus apparently learned from Manetho. So that seems to be the tradition handed down through the generations by the Egyptians.

About knowing for sure when it took place? Very Happy

Josephus is at times very hard to read, and it is not always obvious who the historical figures are behind the stories.
The egyptian traditions seem to refer to a king Amenophis.

The story also claims that the King had to flee to Ethiopia for some years, while Moses more or less took over.

I have no idea if this was just some myth. If more than one story got combined into one.
I'm always highly skeptical of anyone who says that they can tell you who Moses was Very Happy

Others claim there's more than one exodus.
It's a complicated story at best.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should have mentioned that Josephus can be found:
http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/text/josephus/apion1.html

The moses part of the story is in the second half.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anneke wrote:
I'm always highly skeptical of anyone who says that they can tell you who Moses was Very Happy
Others claim there's more than one exodus.
It's a complicated story at best.

I'd better not say a single word in here... Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Segereh wrote:

I'd better not say a single word in here... Cool


You didn't. That's 10 words. (Only 9 if you count the contraction as 1) Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was whispering. (still am)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Segereh wrote:
I was whispering. (still am)


LOL You mean "cussing under your breath", don't you Laughing

Well, can't pester you any longer, off to dinner with a friend.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have fun! Wink (while I look up "cussing")
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks

And that's slang for "cursing" Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okido. Smile Quite appropriate then...
Can't help it, but this I always found nice:
Iamblichus mentions two Egyptian priests.
Mages if u want, who "trained" Moses.
Of one I'm sure he gets called Iannes.
The other one I can't recollect.
Anyone here knows more of it?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this:

Iannes and Mambres, or Jannes and Jambres, are names given to the magicians who contended with Moses and Aaron and were discomfited by the Hebrew leaders in the Hebrew Bible book of Exodus
These names were not given in the book of Exodus himself, but they appear in 2 Timothy III:8 in the New Testament.

Not sure if these trained Moses then. Unless he had a competition with his old teachers.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also:

They also appear in Pliny the Elder's Natural History, together with Moses, as famous magicians of antiquity; Pliny's citation is also referred to in Apuleius. Numerius, a Pythagorean philosopher, calls them sacred Egyptian scribes. Origen says that there was an apocryphal book called The Book of Jannes and Jambres, containing details of their exploits, and that St Paul's epistle was quoting from it. This book has not been rediscovered.

Jewish traditions in the Targums preserve other half-legendary lore about the pair. They are called the sons of Balaam, the unwitting prophet of Pelor. It was also claimed that they converted to Judaism, and that they left Egypt at the Exodus; however, they perished on the way, either at the Red Sea, or the destruction of the Golden Calf, or at the slaughter of Phinehas and his followers.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iannes and Iambres, that's it. Smile
Saw them mentioned in this book about Roman Magic.
Or is it Romanian Magic now? Confused

Must've been 3 years ago now, so kudos on my memory. Cool
I was wondering at the time if their names could've been graecized.
Wound up with "ii-m-pr" for Iambres.
"Coming in the house".
I was younger back then. Rolling Eyes
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