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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:04 pm    Post subject: Boomerang or Magic Wand? Reply with quote

We discussed boomerangs in Egypt a while ago, but I came across some information about magic wands used in Ancient Egypt


Some 150 of these have been found dating back to the first intermediate Kindom and Middle Kingdom.

See also Wiccan Dreams for some discussion about Egyptian magic
http://forum.wiccandreams.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=11

Is it possible that some of the "boomerangs" in Tutankhamen's tomb are magical wands?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you look at http://www.ashmol.ox.ac.uk/gri/carter/370w-p1195.html
you see what are referred to as "ritualistic boomerangs"

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They all seem to have inscriptions on them.
If they are religious objects, maybe protective, I wonder if they were meant to protect him during his lifetime (didn't work too well) or protect him in death (worked very well for 3000 years).[/url]
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of them is described as:
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A wooden boomerang; painted yellow; covered with polychrome
ornament.
L. 47.7; W. 4.0; thickness 1.1; cents <> section.
The skew of the arms distinctly that of the non-return boomerang.


Isn't a "non-return boomerang" a bit of an oxymoron? Or am I missing something?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could it have been used as a weapon possibly?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean like a throwing stick (non-returning)? I wondered about that too.

There are also these two snake batons mentioned. These remind me of the attributes of the god Heka (god of magic). Heka was depicted as holing two snakes crossed before his chest.

The more I read, the more it seems to me that the egyptians were rather superstitious. They had spells for all kinds of things, and magic amulets, statues etc to protect themselves.

Given those facts, I just wondered if some of the boomerangs were magical in nature. (I personally think they are, but that's just my opinion) The rest of coure being real boomerangs. There is evidence from inscriptions that they used boomerangs in hunting.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That waw what I originally thought--that their purpose was for hunting.

There do seem to be all sorts of spells and incantations used. Out of curiosity, how would boomerangs be considered magical?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the returning ones were magical? Did they actually have returning boomerangs in Egypt? And are they older than the Australian ones?

One wonders how a boomerang can appear in Egypt and Australia even though they haven't had any contact...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raia wrote:
That waw what I originally thought--that their purpose was for hunting.

There do seem to be all sorts of spells and incantations used. Out of curiosity, how would boomerangs be considered magical?


I'm not sure, but I read that most of the magic wand (like the one at the top of the page) were made out of hippopotamus ivory.
Many teeth have that slightly bent shape.

A guess would be that because the goddess Taweret (a hippo) was magical - gave protection- then maybe so were her teeth and objects made from them????

That is totally a guess on my part so feel free to not agree with it Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isisinacrisis wrote:
Maybe the returning ones were magical? Did they actually have returning boomerangs in Egypt? And are they older than the Australian ones?

One wonders how a boomerang can appear in Egypt and Australia even though they haven't had any contact...


I don't think it had to do with the "returning property".
The ones from tut's tomb are specifically non-returning.

Hmmmm, after saying that.... having a stick that magically returns after you throw it away would be considered kinda weird wouldn't it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But were there any Egyptian booms that actually returned?

I never even thought the boomerang was well established in Egypt as you imply. When I first heard about it (remember that post? The one with the Skippy posts?), I seriously thought it was some kind of joke Laughing I'm not for those theories that the Egyptians went to Australia, but I find it unusual that both the Egyptians and australians had boomerangs...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the general shape was known.
The picture at the top of the page proves that.
But they may never have been intended to be thrown (for as far as we know).

It may not be too strange to have them come up in different places.

I wonder how often bow-and-arrow, spear, fish-nets, etc have been invented and re-invented.

Maybe it's just a coincidence that they show up on pretty much opposite sides of the globe in "the olden days".

I'm kinda interested in the magical interpretation. I don't know of any depictions that show how they are used in the magical sense.
Anyone seen an example of that?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mind you, there's an Egyptian Cinderella, so why not boomerangs. Maybe another example of 'collective unconsious?'

I did read somewhere that Egyptian magic wands were used for drawing protective circles around people during spells. Maybe that's what the booms were used for.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Isis that maybe they were considered magical because the owner could 'command' it to return.

My first initial instinct of hearing of a boomerang was how could they both be in Australia and Egypt?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should take a closer look at the magical papyrus
http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/texts/demotic_magical_papyrus.htm

I looked over it kinda quickly, and there are many potions and spells.

Would be interesting if they would mention the wand.

This papyrus dates to the 3rd century CE though. That's quite late.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anneke wrote:
The more I read, the more it seems to me that the egyptians were rather superstitious. They had spells for all kinds of things, and magic amulets, statues etc to protect themselves.

Superstition is a natural fact when you're surrounded with gods, I'd think. "Weird" about Egyptian beliefs is that they had fairly little "lesser gods". Even local gods seem to have been revered in such a way that they often dominated the "major gods" be it then in their native regions. An example of such a local deity is Meret-seger (the peace loving), a snake-goddess worshiped around the vicinity of the Valley of the Kings. What I want to say is that "lesser gods" and "aachoe", the ancestral spirits had a remarkably large influence and worship. Even so that you can't really talk about "lesser gods" anymore. That's practically a unicum in world history, as far as I know. It probably had a lot to do with an absence of feeling of "abstraction" - sunrise wasn't just sunrise, but a divine intervention (which is quite different from the greek Eos for instance, which was merely a name and a myth, never to be actually worshiped - something which never happened in Egypt: even the stone where women gave labour on was deified and actually worshiped). I doubt it to be bizarre that people, living "in between of" so many important gods wouldn't have actually been superstitious. Smile

annie wrote:
Given those facts, I just wondered if some of the boomerangs were magical in nature. (I personally think they are, but that's just my opinion) The rest of coure being real boomerangs. There is evidence from inscriptions that they used boomerangs in hunting.

I'd bet my horse on it if I had one that the inscripted ones were ritual boomerangs.
You can actually doubt the most about the ones found in Tut's grave.
Those could actually be for the "eternal hunting fields". Cool

The others... it sure seems to be a magical thing. Makes you wonder how they used em. (The casting of a circle sounds ackwardly contemporary - I doubt that to be this ancient.)
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