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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:07 pm    Post subject: Amarna Reliefs from Hermopolis Reply with quote

Roeder noticed in 1939 that some 1500 blocks used by Ramses II on the west side of the Sphinx gate at Al-Ashmunein came from Amarna.
The blocks had been transposted across the river from Akhetaten. These blocks were referred to as Hermopolis blocks and have been studied extensively by Rainer Hanke.

The most famous of them are blocks that establish Tutankhamen as the son of a King.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These Hermopolis blocks also shed some light on Queen Kiya.
Although it also created new mysteries.

A number of small buildings were dedicated to Kiya at Akhetaten, in the latter part of Akhenaten’s reign. (the later form of the Aten’s name was used).
The names of Kiya and her daughter were replaced by those of Meritaten , or Ankhesenpaaten and her daughter Ankhesenpaaten-Tasherit.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's interesting that these blocks were around at the time of Ramses II.
The Karnak temples were dismantled during the reign of Horemheb, while here these blocks were reused during the reign of a much later king.
It could of course be that the buildings had been dismantled before that, and the blocks not reused until much later.

It is still an open question I believe when Akhetaten was completely abandoned.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is still an open question I believe when Akhetaten was completely abandoned.


I should say completely abandoned soon after Tutankhamen left for Thebes. It was clearly completely abandoned some time later. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The most famous of them are blocks that establish Tutankhamen as the son of a King.



Do you have more info or a picture?
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check Reeves' "Complete Tutankhamen" if you'd have it.
I've never found an internet image of it though.
Trust me, I've been searching my ass off...

Unless someone here knows it to be online somewhere already, I'll scan the picture.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Segereh wrote:
I'll scan the picture.



I'm much too impatient to wait...
Anyway: this is what Bart Van Assche says about it on his magnificent website:
"When it comes to Tutankhamen's parentage we are short on evidence and long on theories. (sentence: courtesy of Anneke) Although his royal descent is still occasionally questioned, an inscription from Hermopolis (current day el-Ashmunein, not far from el-Amarna) names a young Tutankhaten as "king's bodily son". The nature of the text itself and the lack of a cartouche surrounding his name indicate it was written before he had become King and prior to any need for legitimation of royal descent. As the fragment is limited to a display of the young prince's names, dating the inscription is difficult. It must have been written however during the time his father, the un-named King, was still alive. Considering the region was still inhabited after the reign of Akhenaten, this leaves a number of Kings as probable fathers of prince Tutankhaten. Hence there are really only 3 remaining credible theories regarding his origins, all with their own flaws and attractiveness." (Being Amenhotep III, Akhenaten and Smenkhkare.)
Article at: http://www.enks.net/kings/Tutankhamen.html#2 Razz
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still looking for the original block by the way...
Would be cool to see.
Triple- and end-post.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for sharing that image.

I think I have only ever seen the line drawing too now that you mention it ....

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this is what Bart Van Assche says about it on his magnificent website:

Laughing Cute ....


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sentence: courtesy of Anneke

Ah, went with that version ...
Looks good Smile

I think my initial quadruple post may just be a record for me.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anneke wrote:
I think my initial quadruple post may just be a record for me.

http://forum.egyptiandreams.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=6135&sid=cb6ed596e8b8e696e3b16beeab12f377
10 in a row, Anneke... I'm the uncrowned King of back-to-back posts...
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Amarna Reliefs from Hermopolis Reply with quote

anneke wrote:
The most famous of them are blocks that establish Tutankhamen as the son of a King.
Roeder's book Amarna-Reliefs aus Hermopolis was published in 1969 . Tut's block is 831-VIII C.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Amarna Reliefs from Hermopolis Reply with quote

Gerard. wrote:
Roeder's book Amarna-Reliefs aus Hermopolis was published in 1969.
Tut's block is 831-VIII C.

Would u happen to have the book and a nice little scanner at hand? Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sold this book to Toutankhamon magazine editor. It's a book difficult to find, I guess my sample was the last one available at the publisher.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i do have the adorable book by roeder. problem is the scanner... ill try to do it tomorrow at work Wink

anyway the drawing is quite correct and itself taken from roeders book. only problem may be the space under the "twt" at the bottom of the second collumn - there might have been another sign that got destroyed (like part of the nsw and sa signs)?!

whats your opinion about the strange difference in the spelling of the princes' name? might this be due to akhenatens "modernization" of the offical language used in monumentes - undone at least partly(?) during the reign of tut himself?

looking foreward to reading your opinions...

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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

punkow wrote:
i do have the adorable book by roeder. problem is the scanner...
ill try to do it tomorrow at work

Great! I'll start going through my Kate Bush albums to prepare a hymn for you. Razz

punkow wrote:
whats your opinion about the strange difference in the spelling of the princes' name?
might this be due to akhenatens "modernization" of the offical language used in monumentes -
undone at least partly(?) during the reign of tut himself?

I was going to answer just that. I don't think there's a different plausible explanation.
But there are greater experts in hieroglyphs here than me.
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