Egyptian Dreams

[punkow]

so here you go with the scan ("prince tut" is in the first one)!
as you can see, i also added a scan of the only block in roeder's book with evidence of "king neferneferuaten" (block 826-VIII A) and another one where you can see two male (?) royal figures directly behind each other - whoever this may be...
on the "prince tut" scan you'll also find a rarely mentioned variant of the titulary of one of the "phantom" granddaughters... (anchesenpaaten ta-sherit born of the king's bodily daughter anchesenpaaten born of the great royal wife neferneferuaten nefertiti)

hope you enjoy the pics and share your thoughts -
if the scans are illegal, feel free to delete!

dirk

[punkow]

[Rozette]

punkow,

Thanks for posting these interesting pictures !!!!!!!!!!

In "Essay's on Ancient Egypt in Honour of Herman te Velde" page 38, Jacobus van Dijk writes that Tut's block 831-VIII C after close examination of the photograph, reveals that there are traces of what appears to be an underlying, i.e. erased text.

Has anyone ever heard of this before?

[Segereh]

Thanks a LOT, Dirk.
Really great stuff there!
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[Segereh]

Oh and I forgot...
Still clearing my throat and exercising.
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[anneke]

Thanks for sharing those Dirk.

The inscription mentioning Ankhesenpaaten tasherit is intriguing. I had often read that many of the inscription mentioning Ankhesenpaaten-junior were more or less from usurped monuments.
This lengthy inscription mentioning that she's the daughter of Ankhesenpaaten en grand-daughter of Nefertiti is rather long and it looks to me that it might be hard to have another similar text but mentioning Kiya underneath?

There are some pieces that show images being recut:
435 VII A for instance reminds me a lot of the images usually thought to be Kiya, but replaced by Meritaten. Here Ankhesenpaaten seems to be replacing someone.

Does block 826-VIII A really mention King Neferneferuaten? (I have a hard time reading the glyphs). Because right next to it Ankhesenpaaten is referred to as the King's daughter of his body and his beloved.
The juxtaposition almost seems to say that Ankhesenpaaten is the bodily daughter of "King Neferneferuaten" then?
Although I guess a devils advocate would point out this is too fragmentary and that Akhenaten could have been mentioned nearby in the scene.
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[Khuy-n-inpw]

Forgot to say thank you to punkow for the images!

[Gerard.]

[punkow]

[Gerard.]

IMO block 826-VIII is more likely Great Queen Neferneferuaten-Nefertiti.

[Gerard.]

Sorry, my above message is foolish. Even incomplete, the cartouche shows Neferneferuaten. This very partial text makes me think of stele UC410 (ie. Ankhkeperure & Ankhesenpaaten according to M.Gabolde).

[Khuy-n-inpw]

Thanks, Gerard, for venturing these opinions.

Above the cartouche I read z3 ra (‘son of Ra’) rather than wrt (‘great’ fem.). The bird looks like a pintail duck, not a swallow. Look how the neck curves. In addition, the sign to the right of it looks completely circular.

I agree about the contents of the cartouche, though, which seem to resemble closely those seen in the reconstruction of block 451-VIIA.