Egyptian Dreams

harrisandreson · Spammer Joined: 18 Mar 2010 Posts: 3

Previous studies have suggested that woman was aged about 50 when she died, and many scholars believe that she may be Queen Tiye, mother of Akhenaten. In support of this theory are her age at death and the possibly “royal” position of her hands (the left arm at the chest and the right down by her side). In addition, one study comparing a strand of the Elder Lady’s hair to a lock of hair found inside a tiny coffinette inscribed for Tiye from Tutankhamun’s tomb concluded that the two samples matched. However, these results have been disputed, and the identification is still not secure. Read more about the CT scan of this mummy.
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Aromagician · Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:27 am Post subject:

I though that the only evidence that Tuthmosis died was one shabti found.
Was this dated? I have not found anywhere that says a date.

Is it assumed he died before year 30 because he was no longer included in any inscriptions or reliefs. Is it possible that he had just fallen from favour?

If so he may have died later and could also be a candidate for KV55.

A whip bearing his name was found in Tutankhamens tomb.

I am thinking that the 10year old boy may be a brother to Tutankhamen. But then who is his mummy ( bad pun)

Sothis · Priest Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 659

I have thought too that he could be Tut`s brother as well as his uncle.

But we cannot be sure that the Thutmosis named on Tut`s whip really was Akhenaten`s elder brother.
He is not named as "crown Prince" here but simply as king`s son and Commander of Troops, repeating life ( is "repeating life" an expression used for a living or a dead person? The whip could have been made for the living Thutmosis as well as for the dead as a funerary gift).

If he was AIII`s son I would expect him to be named as Crown Prince.
The fact that he is not means it could be any (unknown) Thutmosis or Thutmosis IV himself who apparently wasn`t Crown Prince before he became king.

The strongest indication that the Crown Prince Thutmosis died early is Akhenaten becoming king.
I don`t think it is very likely that he just fell from grace and was therefore not deemed worthy to inherit the throne. What could a child of his age possibly have done to evoke his father`s wrath?

Not completely impossible that something like this happened, but in my view very unlikely. I think he really died before inheriting the throne and the boy in KV35 could be him if one assumes that he was not Commander of Troops.

Aromagician · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:16 am Post subject:

What age is he reputed to be when he disappeared from the scene. He cant have been that young.
Amnehotep III it is said came to the throne a young boy. Yet even then his eldest some could have been possibly 18 or twenty at least by reignal year 30. Considered a boy in western world, but a man in those times. Many people were dead by thirty.

anneke · Queen of Egypt Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 9305

Tuthmosis was a sem-priest of Ptah and High priest of Ptah.
It's possible those titles are completely honorary, but I think they could very well point to Tuthmosis having reached an age in his late teens / early twenties.

Prince Tuthmosis is known from:
Material associated with an Apis Burial (as Sem Priest)
Statuette in the Louvre (as a miller)
Statuette in Cairo (mummy on a bier)
Coffin of his cat Ta-Miu

Dodson and Hilton mention that Tuthmosis - Son of Amenhotep III - is only known to have priestly titles.

The whip from Tutankhamen's tomb lists that prince as a Troop Commander.
I's possible Amenhotep III's son also held a position in the military, but it's usually assumed that the whip was an heirloom and belonged to Tuthmosis - son of Amenhotep II - the later Tuthmosis IV.

For all we know Amenhotep III could also have had a brother named Tuthmosis. There is no evidence for such a prince, but then again princes are not that well documented.

Just looking at the materials found associated with Prince Tuthmosis - son of Amenhotep III, brother of Akhenaten - my impression is that of someone who lived to reach his teens and maybe even early twenties.
Taking the priestly titles at face value then that points to someone who was in his mid teens if not early twenties. But then again, who knows how early a king's son could have been promoted through the priestly ranks?

Sothis · Priest Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 659

Hopefully we will get the answer if the boy is AIII`s and Tiye`s son soon
(see post on "news re DNA)

Aromagician · Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:17 am Post subject:

I dont think it could be Tuthmosis, if the age is thought to be only 10 years old.

Ikon · Scribe Joined: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 386

Looking through all the posts about the KV35 mummies, it seems the trail of who the unknown boy is has gone very cold. Is it confirmed that his DNA was taken and analysed? Have any results been published, yet have not made an appearance on this forum?. I certainly have looked all over online and find no news dating from later than mid 2010.

As to who he is, I have no better idea than anybody else, though it seems to me that for a person of that age to be interred amongst such august company suggests very strongly that he is important. Certainly his well preserved features show some dignity and familial likeness to other descendants of Ahmose (If he is of course).

Is it known if the monochrome photo of him is from shortly after he was discovered? I ask because the brief glimpses of him in the "Tut Unwrapped" documentary seem to show some deteriation, though there is never a close up full face to be certain.

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karnsculpture · Scribe Joined: 27 May 2010 Posts: 382

There's a photo out there on the net somewhere showing Hawass, a scientist and the mummy of the boy in a lab, I shared a link to it at some point but I can't remember if that was here or on another forum. The page it was on related to tests Hawass was talking about being done on the mummies of the 19th Dynasty kings as well as a mummy that Hawass thought might be the real Tuthmosis I. I have pictures of that mummy on my Flickr page (screen grab from Chasing Mummies):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rymerster/4849122744/in/photostream