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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:44 pm    Post subject: Use of drugs in ancient Egypt? Reply with quote

I read in one article that Egyptian priests knew and used oppium (which they called shepen). I never heard before of ritual use of drugs in ancient Egypt so I'm wondering if anybody can confirm this information.

As a student in psychology, I'd like to get any information you have concerning ritual use of drugs and/or altered states of consciousness in ancient Egyptian religion (please refrain from posting New Age stuff and, if possible, give me some references to books/articles on this subject).

Thanks a lot.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally i think ever cultur used drugs... in a way.. I always thought the egyptians did with the incense and all.. they were bound to use drugs. and might i add that chocolate is a drug.. and Alchol.. which counts the Mayans and at least the irish Very Happy ( sorry)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont know about the Red Sheppen and Opium poppies its posible but I do know that ancient Egyptians regularily used blue lotus as an aphrodisiac. (this is still debatable) anyway thats what PBS says lol
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The egyptians looooved their beer.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So do I
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i like your beer too Steve Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

das bier ist gut!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i read somewhere once that the egyptians used cannabis in some form...it was called semsemet...im not sure about the validity of this claim...but it is what i remember reading....maybe it was used in the embalming process
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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read somewhere once that the egyptians used cannabis in some form

It wouldn't surprise me. I think the 'sophistication' and 'trade routes' of the ancient world is greatly underestimated.

There is an article on the subject at:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc09/smokesignals/enigmas/
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only reference to any sort of use of psychotropic drugs I could find in any of the books I have was in the following:

Anteme, Ruth Schumann and Rossini, Stephane (2001) Sacred Sexuality in Ancient Egypt: The Erotic Secret of the Forbidden Papyrus Vermont: Inner Traditions International pg.118-126

They also quote a further book:

Balout, Robert et al., La Momie de Ramses 2, CNRS/RSC (Paris, 1985)

This doesn't show that they used them in rituals but rather they were aware of the properties of certain drugs.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also found this info which was a transcript of a UK TV program:

EQUINOX - Channel 4 - 8 September 1996: The Mystery of the Cocaine Mummies

Transcript of the video: The Mystery of the Cocaine Mummies

http://www.uiowa.edu/~anthro/webcourse/lost/coctrans.htm
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Misc/mummies.htm

[Extract]

ROSALIE DAVID - Keeper of Egyptology, Manchester Museum:
"The lotus was a very powerful narcotic which was used in ancient Egypt and presumably, was widespread in this use, because we see many scenes of idividuals holding a cup and dropping a lotus flower into the cup which contained wine, and this would be a way of releasing the narcotic.

"The ancient Egyptians certainly used drugs. As well as lotus they had mandrake and cannabis, and there is a strong suggestion the also used opium.

"So although it very surprising to find cocaine in mummies, the other elements were certainly in use."

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seen the Cocain mummies in Civilization 12 (high school course) I was just wondering if they have actualy found any evidence of Cannabis or even opium in DNA and forensic tests I know for sure they have found a couple mummies containing Cocain but I dont think any other substances have been found.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:17 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

I've heard that some Egyptians used lotus flowers as not only medicine but drugs also. Has anyone heard of "sniffing" Shocked lotus flowers? Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw a whole PBS program on that but they did a test on the flower and there is no Psychoactive substances in it but there is a very powerful aphrodisiac!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve wrote:
I saw a whole PBS program on that but they did a test on the flower and there is no Psychoactive substances in it but there is a very powerful aphrodisiac!


I must have seen the same documentary here in the US. Chemists obtained some type of "chemical fingerprint" and found that there were substances in the blue lotus that would have worked just like Ginkgo Biloba and would have resulted in people feeling more alert.
Other chemicals they expected to work very much like ***.

They said that this made them look at some of the tombpaintings in a new light. At parties people are often seen wearing the blue lotus (either on their head, or in a garland), and they think the lotus was infused in their alcoholic beverages. (Must have been some party! Wink )

They believe that the blue lotus may also have had significance as a symbol of rebirth.
This reminded me of a statue in Tut's tomb, which depicts Tut's head rising from a lotus flower.

For as far as "sniffing the lotus" goes. When they were collecting a modern specimen from a botanical garden in England, the man picking it smelled it, and reported that it had a very nice "banana - like" smell!
He did not seem to get high from it though.
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