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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if we'll ever know exactly what is going on. For one, it's becoming a political matter, and government workings, even in a democracy are not fully revealed to everyone, and two, we're dealing with the internet and mass media. Already since this thing began, major news corporations, internet news, and individual blogs have come up with a large volume of contradictory statements, findings, and interviews. How much longer until the internet produces the inevitable hoaxes, and purposeful misleading for no other purpose than viewers to a specific blog? Then legitimate mysteries, and questions about those mysteries will be watered down with the inevitable out of proportion conspiracy theories, and anyone questioning anything that slightly even resembles that will be called a conspiracy theorist and automatically ignored. This scenario isn't fanciful, it happens on a daily basis with even the most boring stories, and also on very large scale stories, 9/11 and the holocaust being great examples. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to ask questions about very legitimate mysteries, but because of the sheer amount of way off the wall suggestions that are going to permeate the internet, any amount of questioning the official story will be ignored, and learning will cease beyond that point. The internet is a fun thing, haha.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al-Ahram, 2w3/2/2011:
Today Zahi Hawass,Minister of State for Antiquities Affairs met with a group of young archaeologists, who were representing the protestors who have been picketing the ministry’s building in recent days.

These university graduates have been campaigning for employment within the newly-created ministry, but today came to offer their apologies to Hawass. The meeting was an impromptu event, during which the minister was offered flowers by the students as a gesture of goodwill.

According to a report released by the ministry even before becoming the minister at the end of January, Hawass had been seeking funding in order to create new jobs for the country’s many graduates.

During the meeting, which Ahram Online attended, the students made it clear that their protests were only held because there had been a lack of information about how the ministry, formerly known as the Supreme Council of Antiquities, was trying to address the lack of jobs available for newly-qualified archaeologists and restorers.

Achraf El-Achmawi, a legal consultant at the ministry, said that the new appointments would be made according to a schedule starting in March.

The first phase of this plan will provide jobs for 900 archaeologists and restorers, who will be given paid training within the ministry for a period of five months. The second phase, he continued, will follow the completion of the first one and will provide the same paid training for 500 people followed by an identical third phase.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to see articles coming out in Egypt now. People are putting in writing what we have been hearing in confidence for years!

From Bikyamasr today:-

Despite his jolly spirit, archaeologists, speaking on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of permits to dig in the country, which all go through Hawass, tell Bikya Masr a different, behind-the-scenes reality.

“He has a huge temper,” began one archaeologist. “If you don’t agree with him, he simply screams at you and threatens to remove your funding.”

Other reports show that he takes advantage of those needing internships with the SCA. He takes on American students, promises them adequate salaries, and then refuses to pay, a number of former interns told Bikya Masr.

“He is paid thousands of dollars for each appearance he makes for the Discovery Channel and every time he writes or appears anywhere. The man makes so much money that it is no wonder he tries to curtail other opinions,” an Egyptian researcher told Bikya Masr. The researcher, who works for the SCA, says that “everyone in the council knows what goes on, but he is the boss and his rules go, so there is little we can do.”

It is also well known, archaeologists say, that he takes bribes in order to give permits. “And he is big on cronyism and sexual favors,” another American researcher said, adding that “it is well-known in the community that he gives key positions to women for specific reasons.” This has been supported by a number of archaeologists, who added that on trips to New York, “he has often been seen with call girls and escorts.”

The rest of the article here
http://bikyamasr.com/wordpress/?p=27371
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thewayshemoves wrote:
I'm not sure if we'll ever know exactly what is going on. For one, it's becoming a political matter, and government workings, even in a democracy are not fully revealed to everyone, and two, we're dealing with the internet and mass media. Already since this thing began, major news corporations, internet news, and individual blogs have come up with a large volume of contradictory statements, findings, and interviews. How much longer until the internet produces the inevitable hoaxes, and purposeful misleading for no other purpose than viewers to a specific blog?


From my work on publishing News from the Valley of the Kings I can tell you that purposefully misleading stories just to get traffic have been around for years. Typical traffic for ancient Egypt blogs isn't particuarly high - and not generally enough to interest somebody writing a spam article to get traffic. So they have tended to be "aliens in Egypt" stories which get lots of traffic - but are easy to screen out for those of us who run serious blogs. No biggie.

Then from January 28th things changed. Suddenly there were many more dubious stories out there. Some were misunderstandings - for instance I now believe there was a fire in musuem buildings but it didn't affect the main building; however, its easy to see how in the confusion at the time people could write that the museum was on fire. Such confusions are understanable, although relatively hard to spot.

More serious are the stories that have a strong polictical angle. There are several anti-Hawass stories I have chosen not to run because I don't believe them. I am not saying they are necessarilly all entirely fabricated but at best they mix fact with rumour and in some cases fiction. Of course, the statements from Dr Hawass himself are full of contradictions - for instance the infamous claims that nothing had been stolen from the Egyptian Museum. The Hawass statements are especially problematic because of course contained within them is often the best source of genuine news.

Running a serious blog has become much, much harder as more work has to be done to try to verify stories.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Running a serious blog has become much, much harder as more work has to be done to try to verify stories.

Now that more people are coming forward and putting their names to reports I think it should make your life easier Smile Even with ZH still in power this is starting to happen so if he loses some of that I think more will come out. When we are told things (or even shown new finds) it has always been in confidence, maybe that will change in the future.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long but very intersting article on the winds of change starting to blow (or trying to get started) in the world of culture opf the new Egypt.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/02/22/138763.html
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Granite wrote:
Long but very intersting article on the winds of change starting to blow (or trying to get started) in the world of culture opf the new Egypt.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/02/22/138763.html


This is hopeful news. As A.E. was once a beacon of intellect and culture in the world, modern Egypt can be that too. Especially for the Arabic world, I think Egypt is best placed to show to the world that the Arabic world and Western world can live together. However there is still a long way to go, Muslim and (Koptic) Christians living in Egypt, proved they stood side by side in the revolution, let’s hope they stay on that path, religion has chattered many cultures before and is capable of doing still so.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Long but very intersting article on the winds of change starting to blow (or trying to get started) in the world of culture opf the new Egypt.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/02/22/138763.html

Ranoferhotep wrote:
This is hopeful news. As A.E. was once a beacon of intellect and culture in the world, modern Egypt can be that too. Especially for the Arabic world, I think Egypt is best placed to show to the world that the Arabic world and Western world can live together. However there is still a long way to go, Muslim and (Koptic) Christians living in Egypt, proved they stood side by side in the revolution, let’s hope they stay on that path, religion has chattered many cultures before and is capable of doing still so.


This is indeed hopeful. Revolutions so often just empower a new regime of corrupt politicians, and here are the people trying to shape their country in a new, humanist light.

I find it interesting that Egypt is the originator of so much of Western Civilization. Perhaps they're starting a new chapter for us all.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An Egyptian archaeologist friend has described the recent events as the end of the Fourth Intermediate Period Smile Let us all hope he is right.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long post on The Eloquent Peasant quoting Hawass, Blue Circle and others on the antiquities situation.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Granite means this one:
http://www.eloquentpeasant.com/2011/02/26/what-comes-next/
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He does.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Granite wrote:
He does.

he also..........
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/artifact-storehouse-robbed-monday-due-police-absence#comment-336020 Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Latest interview with ZH:
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/01/egypt-antiquities-chief-says-he-may-quit/
Times are getting hard, boys!
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