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Cool  How accurate is it though?
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| EgyptianRose wrote: | | Cool How accurate is it though? |
I suppose it depends on how accurate the portrait bust it was based on was. With Egyptian art you always have to assume it's idealized to whatever the style of the period was.
It would be interesting to see what a skilled forensic reconstruction artist would do with the KV55 skull. Of course, since the other most likely candidate for that skull was probably his full brother, you'd assume they'd look alike. |
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here is a thread from another forum with a drawing of the mummy, and a picture of akhenaten down the bottom, with a face shape very much like tiye's.
am i allowed to post a link to this other site?
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there's this reconstuction by marianne luban:
http://www.oocities.org/scribelist/kv55.htm
the reconstructions look very similar to kv35yl, so maybe they both took after tiye:
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there is also a facial creation of this bust   Which I fail to find at the moment on you tube.
Either depicting Meritaten or Ankhesenamun, I am not sure...
Also Cleopatra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrJT8n7e7-I
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the one done of cleopatra's profile was rather good, the one of her looking at you as it was done, was really bad, they lost the statue in that one.
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| Interesting, though I think we must be very careful about any of these portrait busts from the time. For instance, to me the bust of Tiye does not look like the face of her mummy, even making allowance for the distortions of death and mumification. Likewise there is not a single representation of Ramesses II that looks like his real face, even when he was as young as they all liked to be depicted. However, perhaps the bust of Nefertiti is the odd one out. Apart from serpents neck she looks real, and modern, more modern than ancient Greek and Roman busts. I often wonder about what has been lost forever, the finished articles long destroyed....... |
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| Ikon wrote: | | Interesting, though I think we must be very careful about any of these portrait busts from the time. For instance, to me the bust of Tiye does not look like the face of her mummy, even making allowance for the distortions of death and mumification. Likewise there is not a single representation of Ramesses II that looks like his real face, even when he was as young as they all liked to be depicted. However, perhaps the bust of Nefertiti is the odd one out. Apart from serpents neck she looks real, and modern, more modern than ancient Greek and Roman busts. I often wonder about what has been lost forever, the finished articles long destroyed....... |
I don't completely agree, I think there are some depictions of Tiye that do look like KV35EL (identified as Tiye), especially around the lips, the characteristic downturned pout. In large statuary she often shares Amenhotep III's features to some extent (for example the piece in Cairo), but in smaller pieces she has a very distinctive look.
Likewise, the Turin statue of Ramesses II does I think resemble his mummy, taking into account that the portrait is of a very young man and the mummy is of a 90 year old. They share the same nose, cheekbones and lip shape. |
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| karnsculpture wrote: | | Ikon wrote: | | Interesting, though I think we must be very careful about any of these portrait busts from the time. For instance, to me the bust of Tiye does not look like the face of her mummy, even making allowance for the distortions of death and mumification. Likewise there is not a single representation of Ramesses II that looks like his real face, even when he was as young as they all liked to be depicted. However, perhaps the bust of Nefertiti is the odd one out. Apart from serpents neck she looks real, and modern, more modern than ancient Greek and Roman busts. I often wonder about what has been lost forever, the finished articles long destroyed....... |
I don't completely agree, I think there are some depictions of Tiye that do look like KV35EL (identified as Tiye), especially around the lips, the characteristic downturned pout. In large statuary she often shares Amenhotep III's features to some extent (for example the piece in Cairo), but in smaller pieces she has a very distinctive look.
Likewise, the Turin statue of Ramesses II does I think resemble his mummy, taking into account that the portrait is of a very young man and the mummy is of a 90 year old. They share the same nose, cheekbones and lip shape. |
Heavens know that Seti I's mummy certainly resembles his images on wall reliefs, particularly at his Abydos temple (Image 2; Image 3).
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It helped that Seti died reltively young (in his early forties). Ramesses II Turin statue shows someone of Armenoid phenotype (still quite common among modern Egyptian elite, specially in the north, like the also bald Mr. El Baradei), which reallly matches with his mummy features.
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she's done well anneke, but one of the cleopatra's she had right till about halfway, then changed it too much and it didn't resemble the statue.
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| kylejustin wrote: | | she's done well anneke, but one of the cleopatra's she had right till about halfway, then changed it too much and it didn't resemble the statue. |
Yes, that one becomes more of an artistic interpretation or some thing like that
The Amarna princess and Nefertiti are two of my favorites.
I like the Ahmose Nefertari one a lot too.
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